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10-01-2015 , 06:38 AM

scelsi

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I have just shoved flop vs V who tanked about 7 min and had clock called on him by another player. Floor starts timer (60s). Gives verbal warnings at 15s and 5s left. Timer goes. V has not made any verbal or physical indication of action.

Floor asks V, "So what do you want to do?"

If you're me, do you say something?

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10-01-2015 , 06:45 AM

browser2920

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I wouldn't. While most rooms the floor will state at the start that when the count reaches 0 the hand is dead, I guess a room could do it where you get a minute, then the floor asks for a decision. Besides, he's going to fold. Or more precisely, he's going to make the floor kill his hand. Everyone who has a clock calls on them waits the full minute out of spite. But if he was going to call, he would have already called at the one second mark to make sure the floor didn't kill his hand. It's not like he's really thinking about anything related to the hand by this point. It's all theater.

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10-01-2015 , 06:45 AM

bundy5

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No unless you are trying to angle.

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10-01-2015 , 06:53 AM

answer20

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If you are not a reg in that room I would let it play out and then ask the floor after the fact if that is how they do it on a regular basis since you are used to the hand 'automatically' being dead when the timer runs out ... not 'adding' time by the floor asking the question. GL

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10-01-2015 , 08:24 AM

Didace

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Originally Posted by bundy5

No unless you are trying to angle.

What?

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10-01-2015 , 08:29 AM

Bene Gesserit

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Once the floor gets involved in this particular situation it's their call how they handle it. Further input by you will likely be unwelcome and won't change anything anyway.

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10-01-2015 , 08:30 AM

dean327

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What is the purpose of the clock if the tanker is still given time to after it expires?

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10-01-2015 , 08:51 AM

madlex

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Originally Posted by dean327

What is the purpose of the clock if the tanker is still given time to after it expires?

With no clock, the player might have watched the fourth quarter of the WNBA finals before acting. With the clock, he had only 60 seconds plus whatever additional time the floor gives him before killing his hand.

If the floor decides to give him another minute to answer the question, that's stupid but up to the house. Getting into a discussion about that won't help speed things up right now and might even hurt you in the longrun.

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10-01-2015 , 09:59 AM

*Ocho 1*

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yeah, let the floor handle it

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10-01-2015 , 10:19 AM

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albedoa

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Originally Posted by bundy5

No unless you are trying to angle.

ffs dude.

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10-01-2015 , 10:28 AM

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Playbig2000

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if you wanted him to call, say "hey, isn't his hand dead now"?

If you wanted him to fold, you can't say anything.

However after the hand I am going to say something to the supervisor away from the table. Usually the instructions are "If you don't act in 60 seconds your hand is declared dead".

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10-01-2015 , 10:37 AM

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TR3V

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Did you have a strong hand and want him to call, or were you bluffing and trying to get him out of the hand?

My answer will change depending on your answer to the above.

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10-01-2015 , 01:18 PM

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Rush17

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I wouldn't say anything.

If I think I have the best of it then I don't mind sitting there waiting for him(although the more times that passes, the more likely they are to fold. From my experience anyway). And, if I don't have a good hand then my only hope is that he's stupid enough to ponder for that long and still manage to arrive at the wrong decision!

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10-01-2015 , 06:16 PM

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scelsi

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It was a semibluff, so I obv couldn't say anything. I'm a reg, and it was a new floor. Wasn't sure whether I should have spoken with a supervisor.

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10-01-2015 , 07:13 PM

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Rawlz517

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Let it go but talk to the floor away from the table.

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10-01-2015 , 09:18 PM

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Jigsaw

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Originally Posted by scelsi

It was a semibluff, so I obv couldn't say anything. I'm a reg, and it was a new floor. Wasn't sure whether I should have spoken with a supervisor.

I would make sure that I got his name and tell his boss what happened.

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10-01-2015 , 09:39 PM

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WereBeer

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I would say nothing at the time, but would probably talk to them after the hand was done.

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10-03-2015 , 11:28 PM

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BigBlue56

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Originally Posted by scelsi

I'm not speaking up for at least a few seconds. As mentioned, it probably isn't going to change things.

If V wants to fold by having their hand killed, it's going to happen, and you've already waited.

If V wanted to call for sure, they probably would have done so before the minute elapsed.

If V thought they could soul read, and would get extended time, you might get a call by asking for the hand to be killed, but it's a stretch.

Agree that there should be clarification of procedure after this hand is resolved.

I'm expecting the hand to be dead when the floor reaches the end of 60s.

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10-04-2015 , 12:44 AM

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callipygian

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I would pull out my phone and start playing some games.

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10-04-2015 , 12:56 AM

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Guito

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If the clock had been called 10 seconds later and the floor didn't ask at the end would that be okay? File this under NBD unless you think the floor asking actually influenced the action. Do be sure to find out what the policy is after the hand though!

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10-04-2015 , 01:14 AM

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2OutsNoProb

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Originally Posted by madlex

This goes right back to his question as to what the point of the clock is if nothing is done when the countdown expires. It's meaningless and therefore stupid.

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10-04-2015 , 01:15 AM

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2OutsNoProb

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There are serious problems if poker has reached the point where people are allowed more than eight minutes on one street to make a decision.

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10-04-2015 , 02:45 AM

#23

scelsi

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

There are serious problems with people who need more than eight minutes on one street to make a decision.

Fyp.

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10-04-2015 , 10:25 PM

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BigBlue56

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I don't like to see hands killed, but understand that some players will insist on the floor killing their hand, so they don't have to 'fold'.

I was at the table for a hand that got killed, when the player claimed not to know the clock was on them. I still don't know what to think, but I would feel better if the floor asked 'one more time', as it was a weird multi-way hand and the floor was standing behind the player. It was at least conceivable that the player did not know the action/clock was on/for him.

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10-05-2015 , 12:01 AM

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callipygian

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

There are serious problems if poker has reached the point where people are allowed more than eight minutes on one street to make a decision.

You're HU at the WSOP ME with $5,000,000 in cash sitting in front of you, you can take eighty minutes as far as I'm concerned.

For a 1/2 game, you can take an amount of time proportional to those stakes.

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