Cheat the promo? That's a reach.

Don't really see this as unethical, you always have the power to say to the player on your right that now you don't want to chop and on it goes... If this is the B 20 my advice is to just play the blinds. You end up playing v tougher players and chopping with rec players. Plus its a time game

It's not at all a reach. You tell your opponent you have potential promo hand so that he will play it to give you the chance to hit it.

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He doesn't have to though

Was he better than you Rob?

Lol, I certainly didn't know at that point, as he hadn't been there long.

Actually soon after he told me, he ended up changing seats. When it got around to a chop situation with the new guy to his left (not in advance), he said "I wasn't chopping over there so I guess I won't chop here", and then raised.

Well that last comment sounds like he was chopping or not based on hand strength which is the only thing that bothers me.

Also you people need to come play in MD. I see a chop at my table probably once ever 25 hours of play. I almost never even know if the guy on my left chops or not.

You should have developed some opinion by the end of the night. This could easily be a situation where when he sits he agrees to chop because because both others players are, and he doesn't really want to be he's just going to go with flow for now. Once he's put at a disadvantage, or decides he's better than you, he's under no obligation to keep shooting himself in the foot just to keep you happy

Seriously I'm a little shocked you even posted this. Villain did zero things wrong and even gave you the courtesy of heads up that's he's not going to chop anymore

No it doesn't. It sounds like a guy who wasn't chopping, still wasn't chopping, and then raised when it folded to his sb just like every limit player does

If you want to avoid all situations of always chopping, except when blah blah blah - i hate blah blah blah,

just never chop.

If this is OK, then you might as well take it one step further and say you always play your BB and offer to chop your SB.

I'm sure you know this, but it's probably -ev in small stakes rake games and even some mid stakes drop games. Although it may be worth it considering how offended some people get when they don't understand why you chop sometimes and not other times.

100% fine.
I have no problem with people changing as often as they want whenever they want for pretty much any reason they want as long as it's not because of the strength of their hand.

I generally chop 7 handed or more, and I don't chop 6 handed or less.

Actually that is interesting - how would everyone feel about a player who had that policy?

you may as well take it even further than that. If you're not allowed to ever end a chopping agreement when the lineup changes, then you should never chop because if the guy to your left goes home you could be forced in to having to play your SB and chop your BB all night

It's a 100% fine. If you don't like it, then don't chop with him.

How would you feel if a told you every time a three bet you I wanted you to immediately fold?

As a side note maybe there is a different etiquette for nl games. In limit games this is 100% fine and Rob should know better

But you wouldn't know he had that policy right away. And unless you play close attention you might not figure it out at all. Assuming he didn't say it that way but if you were the guy to his left and he just suggested a chop.

Don't understand what your question has to do with anything. Every time I three-bet anyone preflop I want them to immediately fold, but it only happens about once every few years.

I just found it very unusual. I can only remember it happening to me once previously, and that was over 5 years ago.

It doesn't matter what his policy is or how secret it is. You can just say no.

I'll say it here, publicly, that my official chopping policy is to never chop but I will agree to chop by SB and play my BB if the guy to my right is more than competent. I will always never say this at the table unless asked.

Almost every player would too. If your opponents are going to gift you a massive advantage, then take it. They have the option, at any time, to end the chopping agreement and stop giving me free money

Then answer the question.

If it's unfair for a player to play his BB and chop his sb, then why is ok for you to force him to continue chopping if the new player to his left won't chop?

So if you sit down and the guy to your left is someone you don't know and asks if you want to chop, do you say yes? Not sure why it would make a difference how good the guy on your right was.

I meant left

No, because like all poker players I assume I'm better than an unknown. If a world beater offers I'm going to say yes and keep playing my BB against the SB. If at any point said world beater wants to quit giving me money he can at any point by just saying he's not chipping anymore

You are really reaching for strawmen here. I obviously can't force anyone to continue chopping. I didn't even try to convince him to continue chopping. I said nothing about it at all. Just decided to ask for others' opinions about it.

Seems like you're getting very defensive about it because you have a similar policy.

And you still haven't answered my question.

At what point is it ok in your mind to end a chopping agreement? If a 9 handed game because heads up the agreement is forced to end, so what's the limit of players for you? Did you tell him that number when you made the agreement? What if your number is higher than his?

No, it's not my policy. It's everyone's policy. I'm not defensive, I'm honestly shocked you can have played that game for so long and never had to deal with this.

You posted this in the wrong forum. Post it in the right and see the answers.

I didn't notice you asking that question before. There is no particular time period in my mind at which it is ok to stop a chopping agreement. I just don't think that was a good reason to stop it. I have never changed my mind for that reason.

For me I don't chop when it gets down to 5 handed or less. I often say that when first mentioned; always do if it's currently 6 or 7 handed. In this case I probably did not since it was a full game with a long list, so almost no chance it would get to 5 or less. If it does get to 5 or less, I immediately let the people on both sides that I won't be chopping. If anyone tells me they don't chop 6 handed or whatever, I see nothing wrong with that.