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Old 11-30-2010, 07:06 PM   #76
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long before the "moneymaker effect". This issue didn't come up until after said effect.
I would put this at correlation rather than causation. It was a lot harder to have smooth conversation on something like this, at a time when not everybody had one:



The world is changing, and computing is entering everybody's pockets. It's not because of Moneymaker, and it's not just "those darn kids". It's the next generation of people, who will eventually be the the old people. Times change.

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And why would you want to drive away everyone but other bitter old nits?
That said, I don't find it unreasonable not to allow communication devices at the table. I'm more concerned with keeping people at the table talking to each other, and also not holding up the game with distractions. It's just good for the game in general. It's really not all that hard to step away from the table a few steps to answer a text. If I need to have an extended conversation with someone, I should sit out a hand anyway.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:07 PM   #77
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I'm not really following. You are saying the players should not be able to text when botha re out of the hand because they could be communicating plans on how to cheat in the future?

Oh and two players not in a hand aren;t allowed to whisper to each other or pass a piece of paper?
1) Just debunking the "it's ok to text when out of the hand because there's no way to cheat if your out of the hand" theory.

2) I would find it a bit hard to whisper to, or send a piece of paper to your buddy that's sitting across the table.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:15 PM   #78
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That said, I don't find it unreasonable not to allow communication devices at the table. I'm more concerned with keeping people at the table talking to each other, and also not holding up the game with distractions. It's just good for the game in general. It's really not all that hard to step away from the table a few steps to answer a text. If I need to have an extended conversation with someone, I should sit out a hand anyway.
That's a much more rational case than JONATHAN's ranting, accusations of mental illness, and desire for players to quit playing entirely.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:18 PM   #79
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I quit. I agree to disagree, and I don't have A.D.D., thankfully. Haha, I should be a rapper!! Back to my home in Parx poker thread. I will not be back to this thread, I wanted to be an attorney long ago, I chose a different path. Maybe because I just didn't want to have to deal with spindoctors and smoke-n-mirror tactics constantly.

That is all

[edit] I never said illness
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:23 PM   #80
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JonathanM- Please explain how being able to stand and text prevents any concern you have about texting while sitting at the table, PROVIDED that you may not touch your phone while you have live cards.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:27 PM   #81
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Wow you're bitter.
Am not
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:33 PM   #82
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JonathanM- Please explain how being able to stand and text prevents any concern you have about texting while sitting at the table, PROVIDED that you may not touch your phone while you have live cards.
Because. if you were cheating and if the rule was you can't have phones at the table. It would be kind of hard for 2 people to keep having to get up from table to make such texts while they cheat before calling attention to themselves and being caught. It just would be more difficult to cheat. Obviously not making it worth the cheat to begin with, if this were the case.

Enough of the spin doctor stuff, I explained in previous post how people could cheat while not being in a hand.
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Old 11-30-2010, 08:01 PM   #83
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I could care less what you do at the table, read a book, play with your phone, just as long as you act fast when its on you.

At our casino if your on the phone or even texting while your in a hand and the bad beat hits, they will not pay out. But every house is different so no point in arguing.
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:02 PM   #84
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I could care less what you do at the table, read a book, play with your phone, just as long as you act fast when its on you.

At our casino if your on the phone or even texting while your in a hand and the bad beat hits, they will not pay out. But every house is different so no point in arguing.
Agree with the act fast sentiment.

I always here dealers/floor say they wont payout if someone is on the phone, but I think its just something to hold over players.

I would love to hear of a bad beat not being payed out because of a phone.
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Old 11-30-2010, 10:07 PM   #85
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Yes. Act fast. If you need constant reminders that it is on you, because of food, phone, railbirds, or anything short of simple physical handicaps, you get warned then a penalty time out.

If you are caught cheating, in any manner, you get the boot. 99% of those using phones, or going to the bathroom, or tapping the table, or whatever are not cheating. It is just not a valid concern regarding electronics UNLESS there are other, way more telling signs.

So. Let people have their distraction devices, but set zero tolerance for slowing down the game and/or signs of complicit behavior. Everyone is happy.
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:16 AM   #86
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I wonder if any of the young pups will figure out what looks like a cell phone communication device may not actually be a phone, but a disguised video camera. Extra points for someone who can figure out what good have a camera at table top level would be good for.
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:34 AM   #87
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ummmm question u can collude with the phones right?
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Old 12-04-2010, 01:57 PM   #88
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surely you can see that using a phone and storing info on it at a blackjack table raises issues that at a poker table does not
Precisely. There just aren't the same issues using devices at a poker table while not in hands.

In retrospect, I can see why Casinos don't want you on devices at the table even when not playing, because you can still count and document card counts.

No one has been able to state a remotely practical reason other than personal preference as to why devices shouldn't be allowed at poker tables for folks that are not in current hands. You can talk about colluding, but I just don't see it being possible unless you are using your device while in a hand.
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So i fold stand up and text the hand I just folded to my buddy still in the hand isn't a problem for you?
Why is your buddy on a device while in a hand? I think you are missing the point every pro-device player is stating.

Devices are not ok to touch in any way shape or form while in a hand. Your album just ends while making a huge reraise on the turn? Tough, wait till your hand is dead to hit play on part II of Neil Diamond's greatest hits.

If you fold UTG, stand up or not, and text your buddy in the BB your hole cards, he will have to wait until his hand is dead to see what you had. If he violates this, there should be penalties. And like anything, the Dealers are responsible to enforce this or include the floor in any issues.

Isn't it easier just to ban devices? Sure. It's also easier to ban food at the table to speed up the game or avoid greasy cards. Or turn off the TVs so as to not distract from the game to speed things up. Arguments aplenty.
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Also, it does slow down the game. People with phones or headphones insist that other people slow it down, but not them. Yes, I realize in their frame of reference, they're doing things immediately, but others have to wait for their frame of reference to catch up. Even an extra second or two of "sir, it's on YOU... okay, grab your cards and look at them now... no, you can't limp, it's a raise... that guy over there is who raised, you can tell because he's the first guy who has more chips in front of him, and I announced it at the time..." ... well, that adds up in a hurry.
I would never argue that at times it doesn't slow down the game.

Yet so does eating, ordering a cocktail, being distracted by the football game, staring at the waitresses, reading a Cardplayer article, restacking your chips, banter between players, baffoons who change their seats ever 3 hands, etc.. there are countless reasons why the game gets slowed down.. It isn't just devices.
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I would never argue that at times it doesn't slow down the game.

Yet so does eating, ordering a cocktail, being distracted by the football game, staring at the waitresses, reading a Cardplayer article, restacking your chips, banter between players, baffoons who change their seats ever 3 hands, etc.. there are countless reasons why the game gets slowed down.. It isn't just devices.
For sure.

Except all those others are at least distractions within the world of the cardroom. "Suzy, hold on a sec with the extensive food order, let him act on his hand." "Hey buddy *snap snap* I know the game is exciting, but it's your turn." Etc etc. When people are distracted by phones or music players, they are entering a wormhole away from the cardroom, and it's much more difficult to slip through to get the person's attention. And it's a constant distraction the entire time, not the momentary bits that happen with the other things you describe.
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For sure.

Except all those others are at least distractions within the world of the cardroom. "Suzy, hold on a sec with the extensive food order, let him act on his hand." "Hey buddy *snap snap* I know the game is exciting, but it's your turn." Etc etc. When people are distracted by phones or music players, they are entering a wormhole away from the cardroom, and it's much more difficult to slip through to get the person's attention. And it's a constant distraction the entire time, not the momentary bits that happen with the other things you describe.
Yes, but this is nearly 2011. Like it or not, devices, be it a phone, smartphone or music player, are an integral part of most of our lives.

One may be distracted by watching the football game on the provided TVs while one may be checking the scores on a sports app. One may be reading a Cardplayer article from the free mags offered inside the poker room and another may be reading the same article on a smartphone.

Either way, when your in a hand, hands off the device and act quickly.
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One may be distracted by watching the football game on the provided TVs while one may be checking the scores on a sports app. One may be reading a Cardplayer article from the free mags offered inside the poker room and another may be reading the same article on a smartphone.
One may do any of these things.

I don't do any of them. A distraction is a distraction. I'm there to win.

One may also pick his nose, scratch his ass, and fart non-stop. Like it or not, these are all aspects of our modern lives. Doesn't mean they have to happen at the poker table.
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