Action up to river doesn't really matter but it's HU on the river.

First guy checks, other guy bets $80, first guy says "call"
The bettor flips over the nuts and the dealer starts pushing him the pot.

At first I wasn't sure if he put in the $80 or not, so I asked the guys next to me and they both said 'yea he put it in the pot'. What I saw was that he was counting it out but saw that the dealer forgot about his call so he took all the chips back. I wasn't 100% though so I didn't say anything.

After the winner of the pot finishes stacking his chips I noticed he was definitely short the $80 (I knew his exact count because he was all in on the hand right before this so they had to count it).

This is like 2-3 hands later. Should I say anything ?

Too late now, just watch yourself with that guy.

No its the droolers fault for not noticing

^ yea. How does the winner not notice this?!

You should've spoken up when you first thought he was shorted $80. Two or three hands later is too late. The players share part of the responsibility in protecting the integrity of the game. Dealer's obviously asleep.

worst dealer ever...although the winner is dumb for not paying attention, i put a bunch of blame on the dealer as this is his job and he shouldn't be zoning out while in the box

always count your pots and even when you win a big hand, focus on making sure you get all of the money before you start gloating about how good you are

While the bettor is certainly a dimwit for not noticing and protecting his interests, OP should have spoken up at the time. We as players all have the responsibility of maintaining the integrity of the game. That said, BriMc is right, it's too late... it needed to be mentioned at that moment.

Speak up when the issue can be confirmed and corrected ..... not three hands later.

If you notice it before the hand ends (next hand begins) you can and should speak up. 2 or 3 hands later is too late though I might talk to the floor at that point if you're certain what you saw.

Thing is though you gotta be pretty confident that you're right and in a short period of time. If it went down exactly like you said: you suspected he didn't call, you asked the guys next to you and they said he did - I wouldn't speak up at that point. And if you could later verify that you were correct but only a couple hands later - it's too late to speak up to the table at that point.

Whenever I think something is amiss I try to direct my comments at the dealer - I figure that the dealer should be most capable of taking criticism - but often the dealer will get defensive and insist they've done nothing wrong.

Guess I'm the only one that thinks you should still say something. 2-3 hands later is ok, as long as it's not 20 minutes or something. It might have just been a simple mistake, and I would comment as if that is all I think happened.

You can bring it up as long after the fact as you would like, but the point is that it's far more likely to be corrected if brought up before the start of the next hand.

I'm probably saying in a sarcastic tone to the dealer, "Are you not raking in calls on the river tonight, wake up".

here's the problem...... what do you think you accomplish by raising it now.

They aren't going to be able to recreate the pot and figure out if you are right, they aren't going to be able to fix it. So now all you are doing is causing people to get upset.

If you want to talk to the floor away from the table that's fine. maybe they go look at the footage and see you are correct and address it with the dealer later to prevent it from happening again.

I would have spoken up. If you realized it a few hands later, and the winner of the pot, gave any resistance, you could have asked a floor person to check the "eye in the sky."

2-3 hands is not a problem, they can go to the cameras and see for them selfs, then decide, if I ever happen to make this mistake, I would hope someone would speak up for me, as I would do the same for the other person unless the person who kept the money is a complete fish lol JK

And when they look at the camera they will be able to see that the player did/or did not put the chips in.

But they necessarily be able to tell how much it was (and three hands later there will be disagreement) not to mention that just looking at the video if the guy doesn't put the money in ... it may not even be evident from the tape that the bet was called since the "call" was verbal to a guy looking at the tape it could look like the player folded.


And 2-3 hands later is not the time to be sorting it out.

Even if was brought to attention as the next hand was delt, and the guy says he did pay it, and other guy says he did not, they would still go to the tapes. So even after three hands something like this CAN be brought to attention of the dealer, I know its not the TIME to do it, but sometimes it takes a while for people to speak up, or the player in hand to figure his count is off. Oh the guys upstairs are not idiots and can tell how a hand went down and can sort it all out.

I would certainly apportion some of the blame to the "drooler," but it would be minimal. The cheater gets most of the blame, and the dealer a far larger proportion of it than the guy who got cheated. Here in California, the players used to deal themselves. Dealers were put in precisely to protect people from being cheated.

Amen.

Unfortunately, we went from Frontierland to Fantasyland. Players were lulled into the belief that the dealer would control everything, protect them, and offer an absolutely fair and honest game.

In all of my dealings with them, the guys upstairs are most definitely idiots.

This has happened to me before. I was all full of adrenalin at showdown because I had second nuts and very anxious to see who wins. The pot was large and took 2 or 3 hands to stack it (I'm a terrible stacker). I don't think villain did it on purpose, he was just anxious to see the showdown too.

I know I should make it a personal rule of thumb to never show until the pot is right, but I forget in the heat of the moment.

I think I would have asked the guy who called whether or not remembered to put his chips in (in a friendly way of course), thus bringing it to the dealer's and the winner's attention....