a. Never (99.9%) gonna happen
b. Casino takes his word that he had AA?
c. AA never loses?

In one instance where I've seen this, the player was in seat one, and as she pushed her chips forward, the chips pushed her cards forward as well...so the dealer just snatched them up like a mucked hand. Curious from OP if your cards were behind your chips when they were mucked?

Also as a general question, if this is a dealer mistake, shouldn't the player at least be allowed to play the board? Don't see why they should lose the hand if the board runs out broadway for example.

I've seen many players do what I do. Look directly at the dealer and clearly state "all in" then start pushing their stack forward.

Saves a ton of trouble when any action is clear and unmistakable.

Ive seen one instance where player cards were accidentaly mucked dealer called floor over. He whispered his exact hand to the dealer floor then look at the muck pile if the top2 were what he says it was then he got his hands back sure enough he got his hand back.

Entire tournament, this hand included, I protected my cards with a chip. When I went all in I pushed all 3 stacks of my chips forward, my cards sitting slightly behind and to the right of my chips. When I was called and saw the fold, I stretched my arms in the air from the nervs and watched the cards get swiped directly in front of me. The entire table, not just me, reacted to the dealer taking my cards into the muck.


Would also like to mention, I don't feel any better about it today! haha. One of the worst experiences of my life I think... embarrassment and frustration wise.

The problem with your logic is that there is a rule for this so there really is no gray area. It says you will have no redress if your unprotected hand is fouled. In OP's case this is exactly what happened. I'm sorry sir, but you didn't protect your hand and there is nothing we can do about that now.

this is basically the response I got. A few people argued for me to keep my all in and just complete a min raise since I had no cards, which I appreciated, but apparently that was never an option.

OP, when you pushed all in, did you announce raise, all in, or said nothing?

If you verbally announce your action then it's 100% on the dealer. Even if the dealer didn't hear you, they should realize you have no chips behind.
If you just shoved your chips in and said nothing, then I believe that's considered just a call. So after other player reraises, action should be back on OP. If she then takes the cards wouldn't OP retain the remainder of his stack minus the initial call?

If in completely wrong about that, then feel free to correct me.

If he shoved his chips in and said all in then id say they shouldve replayed the hand. But if he lightly said all in then its kind of his fault.

I verbally said all in and shoved, I was very vocal at the table and comfortable. Literally the entire table knew I was all in besides the dealer. It was really bizarre man.. I felt like I was robbed I really did. Dealer, pit boss and player who got my chips all knew each other. The ENTIRE table knew I was all in. When he grabbed my cards, everyone immediately responded. Only the dealer looked confused.

This part of the story is a head-scratcher. I play at PBKC once a week and have never heard about winning a tourney entry online in a freeroll. What site was it? What live tourney was it? What date was it played?

The tournament director can adapt his ruling to be in the best interest of the game and fairness to all (as he did in the embedded video, above). Your chips should have been returned to you and the remainder of the pot awarded to the guy who raised over your all-in.

To those who ask if this is fair to that guy, of course it is. He was going to be all-in vs. AA. He should be happy to take any chips as a result of this dealer's mistake.

What an idiotic dealer for him not to notice ur cuips were all in. Where the heck were ur cards were they behind the chips or in front of them.

I work for FPL it was an FPL employee event for charity. Anyone who donated could join, winner got 500 dollars credit at the kennel club.

Well, if you are TD and are that sure that the mucked hand was AA, fish them out of the muck and finish the hand.

Okay. Well, I hope you can put this behind you and continue to play at the Kennel Club. There are a lot of regulars but they're generally pretty nice people, and the Tournament Directors try to act in the best interest of the game. There are a few slow and/or inept dealers, so you do have to keep alert whenever you're in a hand. Playing so long only to get bounced near the money is disappointing under any circumstance. But that's poker. Don't be embarrassed. We can all feel your pain. Good luck to you.

I had a lot of fun up until that point. Had a regular named Archie who kept things alive. I wish he was still in the tournament to have seen this, he definitely would of had something to say lol

Oh yeah. Upper middle-age african-american guy. He's a character, but a nice fellow. Lots of characters there. They're good for entertainment purposes. My favorite tourneys are the Friday and Saturday afternoon events. Hard work to make it into the money, but great structure for the price. Fun times.

Yep that is him. If I ever bubble again I'll be sure to scream loud enough you know who I am lol.

I'm confused.
If the dealer mucked your cards because he didn't hear your all in, how can they enforce your all in? Why didn't you just take your chips back?

Yeah, I don't get that.

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Also, I wouldn't quit poker over this.

Sounds like you did a good job, and you got your money in good at the end - unfortunately, a hidden factor of luck booted you out of the tourney. You should have gone further... You'll get there if you keep showing up and playing properly.

Visual game ...

That didn't answer my question though. Visual game? If it's a visual game, what does verbally binding mean?
For the good of the game (which can overrule other rules, according to the TDA), your chips should've been returned.

Because he pushed all his chips in. This means he is all in. Doesn't matter if he said all in or not. He needed to protect his hand, but he didn't.

Why the dealer took his cards? Who know, but it happens. Dealer sees cards sitting there by themselves and just auto grabs them. I did this once many years ago when I dealt and will never forget it. IDK why I grabbed them, just instinct on auto pilot. If you hold onto your cards it will be hard for the dealer to take them by accident.

The video you mentioned was different than what happened to OP as someone already pointed out. In the video the girl raised all-in and then her cards were taken and action was stopped before anyone called her. That is why she got her raise back but lost the amount of the original bet.

In the OP's case he raised all in and then was re-raised by a 3rd player which caused the original bettor to fold. At this point his chips are committed to the pot and he cannot get them back. If we give him his chips back we also would have to give the original bettor his chips back and then basically replay the hand. That is not an option.

Since I believe no one has cited the official TDA rule, here it is...
The BOLD is what determines if they get any chips back or not.

If this had been heads up going into this street, then I would have an argument to go against the rule and give OP his raise back and kill the hand, but there was a 3rd player affected here.