That's great! I work in a room that plays EO games. You can sign and take your name off, you can put your name back on later. You can ask if the guy behind you wants to go but even if they don't you can still take your name off and he's done. And then put your name back on. I think it's all bull**** and shouldn't be allowed but I don't get a vote.

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They can file it under "Too damn bad."

If you don't want to go, don't sign. If you want to stay a while then go, sign in a while. So upsetting when some idiot dealer was like "Well, I didn't think I would get out so soon..." Why did you sign then? GTFO after you STFU. Or when a dealer signs then makes good money in their first down or two and now wants to stay...so awful. Any place that allows those EO games is idiotic, causes so many problems without solving any.

I'd be okay with getting a few Grandpa Simpsons these days.

If it's a tournament where you get paid per down and they've already dealt a few hands, give them the option of going or staying. If it's cash and their number comes up, they should be out. When you put your name on the list you're stating that you want to go as soon as you aren't needed anymore.

I don't get what problems are caused by allowing somebody to erase their name from the EO list.

^^^ Anyone?

Up to the button only in casinos where I've worked and played with unlimited straddles. Never seen a place that allows the blinds to restraddle, how would that even go?

My room has a few games that allow unlimited straddles. We allow anyone to straddle or restraddle from any position for any amount including the blinds. It doesn't happen very often but when it does, there isn't a problem.

I imagine the problem is the extra work for the DC who now can't just look at list and figure out who is next to go but has to go and ask if they want to go. And now you have everyone signing the list even if they don;t want to EO because doing so gives them the option later.

I wouldn't have a problem with removing a name from the EO list prior to the name being up. Once someone is out, they are out.

Speaking as someone who has done everything incl DC -

My current room's policy is break the game, you're on break for the rest of that down, and back in the rotation as soon as possible. I know my dealers and in the spot above, I'll know which of my 3 dealers wants to work the least, and I'll offer them the double break first, after that it would go to the broken game dealer.

I loathe sending dealers to tables mid-down, it breaks things up for the players still playing.

EO List - you're next up, you go. Once you're out you're out. I could care less who I'm sending home, it's just a time start that I don't need...I don't care which of the 3 9:00 dealers is going home, I just would prefer to have 2 now. Oh, and don't ask me when you think you'll be leaving - cause that makes me less inclined to.

Well yeah, that's dumb.

But this is what we do. We allow people to erase their name as long as they haven't been shipped yet. If I'm DC and I decide I can EO somebody, I'm EOing the next one out, I'm not asking them. If Bob is the one out and he comes up like "But I was about to erase my name..." I tell him too bad, he's out. If Joe is next after him and wants to erase his name, I let him because I haven't shipped him yet.

This technically our policy, though I know some DCs will try to delay an EO for a dealer sometimes......

Ours is made a little more complicated by the fact that our EO list is online and dealers aren't supposed to be be able to access it except during a break so if you change your wind and want to take your name of the EO list you can;t do so until your next break (though sometimes a DC will do this for you ... they aren't generally supposed to. Though sometimes there is a legit reason to do so )

My first hand of the night. Seat One only has a few chips left, puts cash on table to buy more. Chip runner promptly arrives and takes cash to cage to get chips. As I pitch the cards, I announce he is $X behind.

This player gets involved in the first hand. When he enters the pot pre-flop, I *again* announce he is $X behind.

He doesn't have enough chips to represent a full bet on the turn, so he puts in what he has, and I announce it's a full bet.

The only player to call is Earbuds Man, who doesn't hear any of my announcements, and places out a matching number of chips.

I explain that he owes a full bet. He looks at me, not understanding--and refuses to remove an earbud.

"Can you hear me now?", I ask. He ignores this, and keeps looking at the felt where his opponent has no chips left.

"You're just gonna have to listen to what I'm saying," I tell him. I even pantomime removing an earbud with my free hand. He continues to look confused without reaching for his ears.

I'm just about to call the floor when he finally relents. I explain that he's $X behind.

"Ooooooh, he's got chips coming! That's the part I didn't hear!"

"Yeah, I saw dat," my usual sarcastic reply. But this time I added, "I lived it!"

***

Another table, Seat 8 bets. I didn't even know he had cards. "You have cards?", I ask him. He lifts his arms to reveal that yes, he does. His cards remain visible for the remainder of the hand, and I'm delighted he took the hint.

Next hand, same thing happens.

YTF: You have cards?

PLAYER: (lifts arms, exact replay of previous hand)

YTF: If I have to keep asking you that, you're holding them wrong.

PLAYER: (indignant) Waddaya mean??? They're lying right here on the table!

YTF: I'm afraid the standard you need to meet is significantly higher than that.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves when I'm dealing. And there are a handful of regular players who are consistently guilty of this.

"You're the only dealer who makes this a thing," they tell me.

"I'm okay with that," I tell them.

One regular (he's there at the 10 seat, cupping the cards with his left hand 3-4 days a week) got exasperated with me.

"What do you want me to?"

"Well, you can either move your cards or move your hands, but I want to see them at all times."

Another player once told me (in a more agitated than usual tone) "Why are you the only dealer who gives me a hard time about this?"

"Listen," I finally told him, "You know how they say you need to pick your battles? Well I'm picking this battle. I need to see your cards!"

Am I reading this right? You reward the one that LEAST wants to work with a double break? While getting paid to watch TV in the breakroom?

"Apparently I'm the only dealer that follows the rules and runs a fair game!"

He offers the double break to the dealer who wont be upset by it. We don't really get paid for our breaks... because we don't care about base wages we are in it for the tips (unless you are pooling then everyone wants the double).

I guess that makes a big difference then. Also depends on how much managers are bugging you about OT and such. In my room someone would go home immediately and then adjust the breaks accordingly, especially if you're going from 2 tables to 1. If it was going from 6 to 5 then maybe get another push through to help the dealers.

Double breaks by request are fairly common in my room. We have 30 minute pushes, but it's not unusual for the push to come 15 or even 20 minutes late when dealers in the string are using the restroom between tables, chatting with a floor at the podium, or just stuck at a table with a player who's tanking over a big decision.

If I get pushed with only 10 of my 30 minute break available to me and I'm hungry or tired I'll ask the floor for a double and it's typically granted without hesitation. Some dealers seem to request a double break several times a week. I probably take a double about once a month.

We don't pool tips and our hourly rate is the state designated minimum wage for tipped employees.

I'm assuming in this spot nobody is on the eo list.

Somebody is going to get a 1 hr break regardless if you don't have 1 taken out now. So I suggest the dealer closing 2, goes back to 1, and the dealer on 1 goes to close 2 and says goodnight. Now nobody is on an hour break.

Commonly however, at least in larger rooms, on grave (where games are always breaking), if 1 hand was dealt, that dealer closes the game and gets re-routed. Thereby not affecting the current string. But even this can be bent as needed, especially so close to the push. The only exception where I would never take out a dealer that just pushed in is in the big games or the one wild action game where George is toking off hundreds or thousands. Let that dealer finish and change lineup accordingly. In most cases, the dealers wont get all bent no matter what you do, EXCEPT yanking them out of some sick down where they might make $100 (or many hundreds) in the down.

If I'm the dealer that dealt 1 hand and game went down, I don't care, I'll take the 45-50 min break. No biggie, it happens. But if I know #1 wants to go home, I'll ask him first if he/she wants to finish the down or not.

Without much explanation, I love it and am genuinely happy for dealers when I hear about someone making 2 days to 2 weeks wage in a single down. Even if I'm not as lucky when the George is there. And when our entire shift makes 2 days to 2 weeks pay, I'm thrilled for all of us, even if I made only 2 days pay. :-)

What does however gripe the shiat out of me is when other dealers get insanely jealous to the point of complaining about the lineup, or their starting spot, or being sent home (on the eo list) before getting to the juicy game, etc.

I love it when you do well. Even if I'm having a crappy day.

This. As long as you change your mind before your name comes up we allow you to get off the list, but if its time to send someone and your name is there... buhbi

Of course having a full-ring 9 handed table it's very unlikely that this situation would happen.

But the problem happened when the game was 3-handed. The button wanted to straddle and the small blind wanted to restraddle.

Someone said that the blinds can't restraddle and this was the reasoning: