If I thought it would change the bitching, I'd be happy to pay the BB each orbit. But I'd don't think that would stop it.

I have thought that players are always unhappy, so I didn't much care about making them unhappy. I don't think playing 8 handed is much different than 10 handed (although it is different) and also agree that the NIT OMC might as well be empty.

Not a pit player, but I do pickup and play slots with a bigger cigar (longer break). Usually when another non-poker slot playing buddy is there.

I do object to the people that leave for long breaks after winning a big pot, but generally I think that I adjust better than most to short handed. My exception is when the late night table gets short from better players busting bad players, and now I'm fighting the better players only. I've learned to really tighten up and don't stay long.

3 BB rule would be fine. Everyone would forced to stick around. With a lot of turnover, I'd be likely to get a new seat when I return.

I think an orbit each down (or tow) is too much.

LOL @ team play to get a player booted.

I'm happy with players that come back and play more that they are gone. If the whole table was like me...we might lobby for a smoking table

I suppose it doesn't matter, but for disclosure and suggestions I thought I would mention it.


I do have a general contempt for the players who used to take up a spot and play the horses, while sitting in about an orbit each down. I don't mind the cigarette/vape players who take frequent short breaks, even once every other down.

I really wish this whole dinner break thing would be outlawed. I like the rule of limiting breaks to 20-30 minutes and if you need or want to be gone longer, you pick up your chips and you go to the top of the list upon your return.

What I think is grossly unfair is the way it currently works in some casinos that enforce a "third man walking" rule, but also allow long dinner or other breaks. For example, two people can get up from the table and leave together for an hour for dinner with no repercussions, but if one of the remaining 7 or 8 players then needs to get up to use the bathroom or for some other pressing reason, the "third man walking" rule is put into effect and that person's chips are picked up if he's not back before his big blind. Moreover, not only are the remaining players inconvenienced by the two people who take off for dinner, they also have to make sure to time their bathroom breaks to be away from the table when they are in late position (so as not to miss their BB), thus giving up some of the hands that are more advantageous to play.

It's your life, do what makes you happy, if other people don't like it they can **** off.

Unfortunately, the cardroom is not a libertarian utopia where people have the right to do what they want with zero repercussion. It's a for-profit dictatorship where the rules are designed to achieve the highest level of revenue.

The local casino has tons of rules and horrible management. They only allow one man walking under any circumstance. Imagine how it works out at the end of the month? Tons of people show up planning on some crabs and poker, but the friday seafood buffet coupons expire each month??? So the tables get packed and the waiting lists long, but only 1 player can eat? I dont go there except for the buffet because the rake is 7+1 and the players nits.
Where I usually play theres no rules on breaks other than 1 hour to go south. Yesterday I had to pee and got caught up in a hand so stayed an extra round or 2, but when my blinds hit the 3rd time I had to go, and another player took a smoke break. When I came back the table broke?
I dont mind short handed play, just lag it up. Stealing $3 in blinds every 2-3 minutes is a great way to win at 1/2.

I think if you're playing $1/2, you should just pick up and put your name back on the list. There are so many of those games that run at the Borgata that even if the list was long, you probably wouldn't be waiting that long to get back in the game especially if you put your name on the list right away! Seriously, when was the last time you waited 45 minutes to get a seat at a $1/2 table?

...I know, I know, you don't want to have to figure out a whole new table of players again(I get it), however, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Well, actually, you can, because, you are within the rules, but you didn't ask if you were breaking a rule, you asked about etiquette, and doing what you're doing is poor etiquette.

And taking that 45-60 minute break with two other players from the same game makes it even worse.

If you played a really long session 10+ hours, then taking two 45 minute breaks would be ok, but to take 45 minute breaks every three hours? No.

[QUOTE=DC2LV;50295136]I really wish this whole dinner break thing would be outlawed. I like the rule of limiting breaks to 20-30 minutes and if you need or want to be gone longer, you pick up your chips and you go to the top of the list upon your return. QUOTE]

Totally agree with this. It really isn't that tough in the rooms I play. Maybe others have more difficult food situations, but I can not see an instance where grabbing a quick dinner takes more than 20 minutes. If a sit down experience is to your liking then simply take the dinner break and get reseated. Learning new table dynamics is just a product of making your decision.

Bingo

Thanks. The dinner break list is when you pick up your chips, and get placed at the top of the list when you return within a certain time period. Agreed, hate the 3rd man walking rule, it encourages people to be 1st or 2nd off the table.




Thanks. So far, that's pretty much what I've thought/done. I did want to see how it was perceived.


Yeah, and in some small measure, I don't want to cause the floor headaches, from the people at my table complaining about me.


When I first started playing, I didn't get the concept of leaving chips on the table to go pee. I waited MUCH longer to go, before asking the dealer to "watch my chips".

I've been up to the Sands when they've had hour plus wait lists. No chance I'm picking up from the table to have a cigar there.

Yeah, I tend not to mind the random short handed play through the day/early evening. I don't do as well late night when we are short due to busting players.



Thanks. I did ask about etiquette.

I did put in 10+ hour session. A 45 minute break every 3 hours would have given me 3 breaks over my last session.

I'll consider picking up.

[QUOTE=flabucki09;50297998] Thanks. Yeah, I'll have to reconsider breaks in the future.

People who take long breaks at the table are one of my biggest pet peeves. IF you are going to miss more than an orbit, go on the dinner list. It's so annoying when you have to wait an hour for a seat while the table is playing with four absent stacks that could actually be taken by an active plaher.

i agree a lot of this isn't fair but in practice you're never gonna get picked up as the third man when you go to the bathroom.

I did find it ammusing at the borgata when a new dealer happened to sit down when i went to the bathroom on my bb so I got an absent button despite being gone for 5 mins. then people who take super long breaks game the system by leaving after one hand on a new dealer and get no button for that half hr.

Hoping to avoid being that annoying player to too many people. As mentioned, I know some players get upset after a single player missed more than an bathroom break (not implying that you are one of them) and everyone has a right to be super annoyed when there are 4 missing stacks.

The Borgata has made changes to discourage players from not playing. I applaud the changes, and see the effect that it has had.


Re: 3rd man walking. Agreed that even a missed BB for a bathroom trip doesn't allow enough time for a floor to pick a player up, if I know that's the rule, I'll take off after folding UTG+1, or if I've played UTG+1, the right after folding UTG. In the case where I get playable hands those 2 positions, I guess I have to re-evaluate risking a missed blind button, taking off an advantageous position or waiting an orbit to try again

The changes actually account for that somewhat.

Before, you could be picked up at three buttons, so if you played one hand with a new dealer, you'd get one button after half an hour, the second after an hour, the third after an hour and a half.

Now, you can be picked up at two buttons. If you play one hand with a new dealer, you get the first button a half an hour, the second after an hour, and then you can be picked up.

If you get up just before the end of a down, you get the first button at, say, 5 minutes, the second one at 35 minutes, and then you can be picked up.

So yeah, you can still manage a bit longer away time before the possibility of being picked up, but the reduction of the trigger means shorter time. All an absent button means is that you were gone when the dealer sat down anyway. Some will take it back if you return soon after, some won't.

I don't mind playing short-handed. I don't mind bad players taking smoke and slot breaks if the alternative is them leaving the table. I don't mind a nit taking a break because you can barely tell the difference between him and an empty chair. I don't mind a good player getting up, for obvious reasons.

I like shorthanded play, as well. But the thing is, are the other remaining players in your game ok with it? Cause, nothing else matters if they're not.

The problem is that many people do. You don't get to play 3-handed unless you find two other people who also want to play 3-handed.

Well, they can rack up and I get first crack at an empty seat at another table if the table breaks.

Why would I want to give up the feeling of superiority that comes with crybabies whining about playing 8-handed?

You play poker to feel superior? That's cool. But I play it too win money.

That's a bit of a joke, but I don't believe in insisting that the rules be crafted to maximize my earnings. Some of the people in this thread need to suck it up and accept playing 8-handed sometimes.

Didn't think this thread would make it this far .. Cheers to OP for giving back some comments on posts!!

I think each room needs to adapt to it's 'needs'. Borgata can 'afford' to be a little looser than a 4 table room since the players waiting can't be spread out as much ... and quite frankly 6 shorthanded tables are much better than 4 full ones for the rake!!

3rd man walking rule is only really an unenforced 'scare' tactic from what I've seen. Maybe once have I seen a guy get picked up. Normally players leave during a hand and the dealer doesn't catch who left in what order.

We get tons of players that complain when 8-handed. It's crazy, but the rooms need to react to it or lose some of the customer base. They don't care about keeping the other table(s) going. They think that since they are at 'the main' table that they need to be full all night ... not true, but tenuous to explain. GL

Few people who post here mind playing 8-handed when the game actually plays.

But when one chronic lobbier leaves an empty seat to go play at the pits and another takes a 45 minute dinner break, then someone goes to piss while another takes a smoke break, the game grinds to a halt when the first person who isn't comfortable playing 5-handed reaches the BB.

And when the people gone are reliably coming back, it's easy to say to that guy it'll just be one round.