I probably would have been 86'ed if this happened to me.

Not a fun day at the office. I assume there is a Borgata Venue Thread on this site as well. Anything pop up over there to help you out via some regs?

At this point I think you've done all the 'action' you can do .. .It's just hoping that the State Police can stay on it before getting more cases put on their desks. GL

I had a cop friend who investigated stuff like this. He readily admits that the priority goes to whoever he thinks got stiffed the hardest. National insurance company files a claim? Pretty much meh. Old lady get swindled out of her life savings? Pretty much stays on top of the pile.

Lesson? I guess try to be relatable. Don't have unrealistic expectations about the police going CSI on the perp's ass, or fantasies about SEAL Team Six storming the guy's home. Be persistent but not annoying.

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Dealer should have kept the pot in middle this is unbelievable. Floor person should have stayed at the table while you got the poker manager. Where was seat 9?

Pretty sure dealers are supposed to collect mucked cards before pushing the pot.

Have you played at the borgata in the last few years? Most of the dealers are terrible, don't follow basic procedures and while there are some good floor people there are also a lot who are terrible.

I myself work as a Federal Agent (Terrorism specific side of the house) and I made the NJ State Police aware of it so I'm hoping as a fellow brother in blue they take the case seriously. They already have the Cheats Drivers License number, home address, etc.. so in actuality it shouldn't be that hard to track down as every LE agency State/Federal has access to an NCIC type of database, etc.. to track down individuals.

The detective gave me his assurance that he would stay on top of it, and I do want to note that this is the NJ State Police of Gaming Enforcement handling this matter so I'm pretty confident at the moment that they follow through as this is what they do.

Funny thing is that before this case got assigned to the Detective and officially opened, I had called a few times checking on status and each time I called I ended up speaking with someone different such as a Sargeant, dispatch, Detective and they all said that Borgata is notorious for issues like mine and bumbling cases of theft/cheating, etc.... One of the people even told me that Borgata also goes as far as to protect high-rollers who are caught cheating/stealing... smh

fingers crossed moving forward.

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all the good dealers and floor people left for the Parx Casino.

What is even more sick is that the Poker Manager told me after reviewing the tape that the dealer was basically at fault for not controlling the game (ie. pulling mucked cards, keeping pot in middle, etc...)... and stated the floor should have called security review right away.

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If they have his address wouldn't a simple letter requesting the money be sufficient? I don't know how stupid people are but he ran out of the casino and got tracked back to his home, he can't think this isn't going to haunt him right?

TBH.. This cheater probably didn't think that Borgata would review the footage and things would escalate to possible criminal charges. Not too mention that this cheater didn't swipe his player card at the table and never thought that Borgata could back track a few days via facial recognition which ID'd him playing black jack two days earlier in which he did swipe his player card. (That's how Borgata ID'd the Cheater).

Also, if Borgata has any integrity they will ban this guy for life from the Casino but who knows.. all the feedback I've been getting from the NJ State police as well as fellow players have been severely negative regarding Borgata. smh

So why would they try to make this a case that requires a lot of work when he might just give in when you send him a letter that they have him on camera stealing money. Just ask him to give back the money or face charges.

At this point, the smart move for the Borgata would be to (1) pay OP, (2) cooperate in every possible way with the investigation, and (3) advertise that they are doing (2), including having a representative post here.

The screw-up is the screw-up (and the only thing the casino can do now is pay up), but it would send a very good message to gamblers for a casino to say that if a player gets robbed at their poker table, they will assist law enforcement in any way possible to hold the cheater to account.

So if someone breaks into your car and steals almost $1500 worth of stuff but mistakenly drops his ID or leaves something that can identify him then you are satisfied having to spend weeks/months tracking him down just to return your stuff with no type of reprimand at all?

Further, this is a cheater.. who is to say he hasn't done this before or won't do it again? and Rumor has it at the table that this guy works as a Professional dealer for Home games in the NJ/NY area and part time at some casinos... Do you really want a guy like this dealing a game? and what if I was never able to track down this player?

Good luck telling all the poker players on this forum that charges shouldn't be pressed and that this cheat deserves no punishment/reprimand...

Also, several emails have been sent by the Borgata to this Cheater at his Casino registered email address and he has ignored/not responded.. I don't think a letter will do anything and also there is no way of knowing if his DL address or records at Borgata is current hence now the need for Police to be involved.

PS- This theft of approx $1250-1300 is a third degree crime with sentence of up to 5 years in prison and a fine of double the amount of monetary loss to the victim (N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:43-3, § 2C:43-6).....

and then the charges will be compounded with NJ State gaming regulation fines... ie.. Cheating at regulated table game...

I agree..

I have even stated a few posts back that I would love to have a Borgata representative lay out their facts of the matter and how they chose to handle things.

I would love to have the Borgata try to convince the army of Poker players here on 2plus2 that they did the right thing and this how other poker players will be treated if confronted with the same instances..

If somebody steals >$1000 from me and I have to jump through hoops to have him identified, I am certainly not satisfied with him just returning the money to me. That ship sailed a long time ago.

As the OP mentioned, he already ignored previous request via email so I hope it is taken to the next level which is to gather the evidence and put it in front of a judge who hopefully signs an arrest warrant which will then be entered into the NCIC databse. Then a letter from the court will be sent to his residence advising him of the warrant. He will either have to turn himself in or hope he doesn't get pulled over for the rest of his life.

A crime is a crime, whether the Borgata gives a **** or not.

Prediction: *IF* the cops ever find this guy, his first words will be, "Gee, I'd like to give back the money, but it's gone. Shrug emoji!"

OP's best hope: thief values his Gaming Badge more than this dollar amount, and returns money to make this all go away. If everything goes perfectly, OP will still be forced to choose between a settlement or sending this guy away. Hard to imagine OP gets both.

We're up to 11 smh's in this thread. I feel like if we get to 100, OP's issue will be resolved.

If I were OP, I'd be happy with getting my money back, but I'd also press charges if the cops asked me if I wanted to do so.

Damn.. if we are only at 11 smh's and 100 is the goal...

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Yes sir... damn right I will want to press charges but at the very least of getting my money back is ensuring that this Cheat is banned from Borgata and possibly more Casinos in the NJ area...

in some cases there can be considerable punitive damages. i dont know n.j law but worth looking into.

i remember a reno casino that the patrons frequently had gotten robbed going to their room and the casino did nothing. the last person sued and won a couple million and that practice soon changed all over town.

and it is a crime to know of a felony and not report it. so that can be significant.

my suspicion is when the cops go to his place he comes up with the money and you get it back, and probably the police will let it go at that. you dont have to. good luck.

and follow the rule ive posted often. hold your cards until all other hands are dead and the pot is coming your way. keep your eyes on the pot as well.

ive seen worse things and the casino does nothing as well. so it isnt a rare occurrence that they do nothing when something bad happens.

The bolded is very important and bears repeating. Players can avoid so many problems by making it a habit.

I agree with what you stated but.... The thing is I did hold onto my cards and the pot was being pushed to me in Seat 3... The problem is what was happening on the other side of the dealer in Seat 10 as I was watching the pot being counted out...

Sometimes it's impossible to watch every little detail in real time as it is happening, that's why when something fishy/out of place does happen we as players should have the ability to call the floor to verify the situation and not have to argue with the floor to ensure integrity of the game...

Yeah, I don't see how holding onto your cards helps any when they aren't the best hand, because someone else has grabbed a better one.