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Originally Posted by SneakerPimp21
I tabled a 7-2 spades
Fold preflop.
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About 30 - 60 seconds into the dealers act of counting out chips for myself and seat 5, is when all of sudden Seat 10 said "I have the winner" now showing A-9 spades.
FLOOR!!!
Seriously, as soon as that happens, the floor is being called and nothing happens until the floor-person gets there.
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The dealer did not question Seat 10 and just pushed all the chips to Seat 10.
It wouldn't have got that far if you screamed for the floor...
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We immediately called the floor supervisor and as the floor supervisor was headed over to the table, the dealer started dealing the next hand
Physically stop the dealer from doing so. Flip over some cards if that's what it takes.
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The floor supervisor refused to call security to review the hand and stated that the next hand had been dealt so he couldn't do anything despite the fact that we called for the floor before the hand and the dealer dealt the next hand anyway knowing we all called the floor supervisor.
That's a whole lot of bull. They can call the cameras for something that happened several hours before if they have to. This isn't football where if you don't throw the challenge flag before the next snap you're screwed.
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me and seat 5 went to the Poker Manager, explained what happened and the Poker Manager called security for review of the hand in question. While we were talking to the floor manager, Seat 10 immediately picked up his chips, cashed out and left poker room.
Not sure if you saw this happening, but you should have tried to stop this. Call security. The player can go but he needs to provide his ID in case something is wrong (a player card isn't good enough).
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Seat 8 all of sudden spoke up and confessed that he observed Seat 10 reach into muck and grab at least 3 different cards before tabling ACE-9 spades. Poker Manager questioned Seat 8 and he stated that he did not say anything because he felt that it wasn't his place "ethically" as he wasn't involved in the hand.
Seat 8 is an idiot. There's a chance he was friends with the other player too.
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Here's the thing: As far as I know (though I am open to correction; I am a licensed dealer in four states including NJ but never worked in a NJ brick & mortar casino) per New Jersey rules they cannot force a player in a poker pot to give up his chips. The money isn't theirs, it's the other player's. The casino's only recourse is to threaten the player with a lifetime ban from the casinos, report the player to the DGE who have the power to ban the player from all casinos in the state and be willing to testify if the other player wants to press charges (they won't even press charges).
But at the end of the day, the casino doesn't have standing because they were not robbed. You were. And even before he left, let alone once that guy racked up, they could do nothing to force the player to pay up.
That said, the casino handled the cheating incident very poorly and likely in a manner inconsistent with poker regs. I would tell the Borgata that you plan on filing a complaint with the DGE for what happened. You can also tell them you demand to know the identity and contact information on the player to press charges and sue him and that you expected the casino to cooperate with this. Having a lawyer represent you - even if it's cousin Joe the probate attorney lending his name on a threatening letter or three - wouldn't hurt. You can also say that you plan on making their incompetence known through social media, actual media and anywhere else where people who might choose not to play cards at Borgata can hear about this.
At this point that's all you got and even then don't be shocked if the DGE doesn't care (they can only fine the casino over something like this; they're not gonna revoke their license) and the Borgata continues to plead ignorance and nobody from the media returns your emails.
It's a sad fact that if you steal a redbird from the casino they will crucify you but steal thousands from another player at the poker table and as long as the dealer dropped the rake, they don't have much liability (other than bad PR, losing a customer, things casinos can and do write off all the time).
Good luck. Tell us how things go.