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Board swept up with pending action. Ruling? Board swept up with pending action. Ruling?

03-18-2017 , 10:19 PM
Curious to see what the correct ruling should be here.

WSOPC ring event in Tulsa, OK.

On the river, player A checks, I check, button bets, A folds, then the dealer sweeps up the board and the burn cards and places them on top of the cut card, which happens to be on top of the stub. I still have yet to act when this happens.

Never seen this happen before. What should be the ruling in this situation?
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03-18-2017 , 10:22 PM
Was there agreement as to what the Board was? (ie which 5 of the 8 cards on top of the cut card).
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03-18-2017 , 10:25 PM
I know it sounds like this shouldn't matter, but did you try to stop him or protest immediately after you noticed, or did you just stare at him and watch it all unfold without saying anything?
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03-18-2017 , 10:45 PM
I was at the table once when this happened in a 1/3 NL cash game. So this solution is not going to work in a tournament, but it is was a good one that both players were happy with.

What happened was there was an all-in and call on the turn, overpair versus flush draw, with both players tabling their hands. For some reason the dealer thought the flush draw player (who had quite a short stack) had folded, so he very quickly mucked the entire board without dealing a river and started shoving the pot toward the overpair.

The floor was immediately called and was genuinely flummoxed. What ended up happening was that the overpair player was awarded the pot, and the flush draw player was refunded his entire stack (about $60-$70) out the casino's pocket. It may very well have been the most generous ruling I've ever seen.
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03-18-2017 , 11:12 PM
Reconstruct the proper board if all players can agree on it. Continue action if possible.

If not possible, I would likely split the pot between remaining hands. Worst case void the hand and refund all money, then replay with same button position.

Either way, dealer gets retraining. You never kill the board until after the pot is pushed to the winner, to maximize the chance that any error gets caught before the board gets fouled. The correct order is:
* Kill losing hands
* Push the pot to the one remaining winning hand (slide the board over, remaining face up, if needed)
* Collect winning hand, if needed
* Turn over board / winner, place with burns into middle of muck, then square the deck to prepare for next hand shuffle.

This hand is the reason why this procedure exists.

Last edited by dinesh; 03-18-2017 at 11:24 PM.
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03-18-2017 , 11:17 PM
I did try to stop the dealer, along with just about the entire table, but the dealer swept up all the cards so fast we weren't able to stop her.

The table did come to an agreement on what the community cards were, but the player who made the bet and myself did not say anything. We were pretty much waiting for the floor to make a decision at this point.
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03-18-2017 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by icanhazchips

but the player who made the bet and myself did not say anything. We were pretty much waiting for the floor to make a decision at this point.
So I assume that you were going to call the River bet before the dealer mistake?
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03-19-2017 , 12:00 AM
No, I was not going to call the river bet. But I did not want to fold my hand before a decision was made, in case there was a chance that the floor would either decide to chop the pot or void the hand.
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03-19-2017 , 08:10 AM
Well, that is very poor sportsmanship. If you were going to fold you should have just folded and saved all this annoyance.

In fact, if the floor is called over, things are explained to him, the board reconstructed, action resumes, all eyes go to you, and you now...fold (or worse yet tank fold), you're probably going to get a lot of annoyed glances and get a target painted on your back for at least the rest of the session, if not longer if you are a reg in the game.
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03-19-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by icanhazchips
No, I was not going to call the river bet. But I did not want to fold my hand before a decision was made, in case there was a chance that the floor would either decide to chop the pot or void the hand.
In other words, you tried to steal half the pot on a technicality while creating a bad situation for the dealer and letting everyone else at the table wait a couple minutes for the ruling while the tournament clock was running? Very classy move.
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03-20-2017 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
In other words, you tried to steal half the pot on a technicality while creating a bad situation for the dealer and letting everyone else at the table wait a couple minutes for the ruling while the tournament clock was running? Very classy move.
This +1
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03-21-2017 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by icanhazchips
No, I was not going to call the river bet. But I did not want to fold my hand before a decision was made, in case there was a chance that the floor would either decide to chop the pot or void the hand.
Don't do that.
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03-22-2017 , 12:42 PM
Does it take that long to check the cameras and reconstruct the board that way?
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03-22-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SetofJacks
Does it take that long to check the cameras and reconstruct the board that way?
No clue about this specific event, but other WSOPC venues have their tournament tables in some kind of open space and use the regular poker room for cash games. In that case, there aren't any cameras for the tournament tables.
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