Missive: SHUT THE **** UP!

I know these games are just tiddlywinks for you, but please stop pissing in the pools of those of us climbing up. Nobody needs to hear about the advanced moves from your usual games. Nobody wants your opinion on every hand played and bet made. Nobody needs your "oh wow lol microstakes" attitude when still yet another unlikely hand wins.

No, nobody is going to instantly improve, but people DO understand that they're against stronger players, and they DO pick up sooner. Fixed Limit games are hard enough to keep full as it is. Are you trying to burn a path and salt the earth behind you?

I'm sometimes surprised you built up to those bigger games, if you can't even understand my not-so-subtle hints to stuff it. Yes yes, you're totally awesome, thanks for gracing us with your presence. Now go masturbate your egos somewhere else.

Thank you.

Love,
pfapfap

pfapfap ITT

FYP

But if they all leave who is gonna donk away all their chips while saying "I don't really care about this money I'm just waiting for a seat in a bigger game"

This goes for just about any game---there is lots to talk besides poker & unless someone asks for your opinion or advice, best to keep it to yourself.

Yes, big stakes players waiting for the 'real' game usually end up donating a couple of buy-ins while they drink, watch TV, and berate us lessor mortals about our horrible plays and inferior poker skills.

Not to say I didn't enjoy pfapfap's rant.

I did

Waiting patiently for Pfap to tell us how he really feels. I think he's blocking.

He could express his true emotions if he would fix the kitten's face.

I do see and hear this sort of thing quite a bit.

What's funny is when the guy talking about the big moves he makes gets felted by a guy who only plays a few times a year who just hit a 3 outer.

most of the higher stakes players nit it up unbelievably so in the lower stakes mix games while waiting for their normal game

i love nothing better than having some hotshot big stakes player join my 1/2 table, they NEVER leave with a profit and their big talk only makes them look more stupid than if they just kept quiet.

They may not have grinding up through the ranks and had money to start higher up and get proper training. That us lesser mortals don't.

i was going to make a rude "attention: lower stakes players railbirding my games" comment but couldnt think of anything clever.

the jackasses that play bigger games and use poker speak and criticize opponents are almost always terrible. the reality is that the ******s in your game will actually not learn anything no matter what anyone says to them. they might temporarily try to play better bc theyre embarassed but theyll play just as bad as they always do when your table douchebag leaves. the more likely scenario is that not only will the drooling residents of your game continue to play terrible, but the high stakes hotshot will blast off a few buyins out of boredom. they dont understand theyre against stronger players. the horrific loose passives will continue to play bad and the terrible tight plyrs will either play the same, play like cowards and be run over or try to adjust by playing ******edly aggressive to stop themselves from being run over cuz they gotta prove that theyre just as good as the high stakes hotshot, the only difference between them is the high stakes guy is obv a trust fund baby since thats the only way to build a bankroll.

homany-
I was wondering what u were doing in the 4/8 omaha game the other night til one of the dealers mentioned that u and the guy next to u were really playing 40/80! Nice. That is a cool way to add some meaning to the game.

i was gonna use that as an example of a sane person not being annoying and douchey about playing small stakes but i did beg every dealer to bloodbath my friend with the most fiendish of beats so that i could procure his dollars, so i guess i did accidentally brag about playing high steaks. altho i def never said anything about my opponents not quite premium starters despite how pleasing it was to see so many interesting hands at showdown.

he shouldve crossbooked w/ me 500% the day before when we were at viejas playing 1/2 nl then we wouldve been even for the 2 days, instead i buried him alive for $2k in the omaha game.

That's a bizzare tour : Viejas 1/2nl to o11 4/8 Omaha. Did u play 3/6 Lhe at harrahs on the way? Haha.

And yes, I've seen some sweet Omaha hands shown down in that game like the old standard 78TK with an 8 high suit. Awesome.

"I dont care if i lost, thats a preflop raise in MY normal game"

Heh, yeah, I agree, most of these guys donate, so I don't really mind them there. I don't care to play the high variance game against them (nit itt), but it is nice when the loose players hit.

But I say it still affects the game. Usually these guys get buddy buddy with one or two weak players who know enough to chat poker but not enough to be disciplined. The buddy busts, feels embarrassed in front of his new friend, and leaves instead of reloading.

Another thing that happens is one of the objects of ridicule (they CAN hear you, y'know) picks up after a rush.

Yes, these two things happened in the game that prompted the rant. I was sitting in the sportsbook annoyed that my game broke while I was stuck.

Another guy in the same room had been **** of the walk the entire week, making nice with the low stakes players, chatting while railing, talking poker this and poker that while playing, giving advice, etc. Nobody wants to feel shamed in front of a pro that's been befriended. I don't need the other players made aware that maybe my pots aren't just lucky hits.

I have myself to blame for one time with the second guy because I misplayed a hand I could have won, which woke him up from his nap and prompted him to describe what the other player 'obviously' had, leading to hours of poker strat talk between him and another higher stakes player also slumming it.

These guys were very nice in general, and I'd have been happy to chat with them... over dinner, or at the bar, or anywhere else but at the table.

I don't want another infraction for a non-obscene word, so I meant to say 'rooster of the walk'. Tho' I'm not sure that's as catchy an expression.

2+2 censors are apricots!

Welcome to just about every NL1/2 game about midnight the last 6 weeks on the strip. All these players coming back from their $5000 WSOP tourney bust-outs and NL5/10 games who sit down at 1/2 to pass the time back at their hotel before they go to bed often bring their attitudes with 'em.

Classic example... Two guys sit and in a short while one has missed his blinds and elects not to come in as the BB, instead saying he'll let it pass and come in behind. After the button passes the dealer tells him to post $3. "No, it's two dollars," the player tells him and puts out two chips. "No sir, it's 3--you missed both blinds." "No, it's not, it's two". "It's three" "*TWO*!!!!" "Uhhh... floor!" Floor comes and tells him it's $3. Player rolls his eyes, tells the floor he is wrong and asks how long he's been doing this job, and loudly tells his friend "you can sure tell we're not playing at Bellagio anymore--these idiots don't even know basic poker rules."

The fun part, of course, is he and his friend donked off 2*$200 in about the next 30 minutes and then left, his friend telling the whole table "I just can't play right--these stakes are too low and I can't concentrate." No, sorry, the way I see it, the lowly NL1/2 players skewled your sorry rumps ('course most of the players at this table had probably also just finished playing higher stakes at Rio a couple hours before).

I would be the first to say I do not exactly bring my "A" game when Im messing around at lower stakes if there is no bigger games running, or just waiting on a long list.

But I will never tap the tank by pointing out bad plays of the other players (unless im trying to needle someone I know)

I actually feel a little more remorse (not much... just a little) when I totally suck out for someones stack... and seeing that the money lost REALLY affects them (say a lot more than a properly rolled player)

Any kind of poker strategy talk at the table.. like people complaining about how people make such loose calls preflop... is just so bad for the game. I have seen so many people fix major leaks because of people telling them how bad they are. These people would probably have continued to make the same mistake forever but someone loses a pot and just has to say something.

It is even worse when higher stakes players do it in a smaller game. It usually means that they suck at poker and it always means they suck at life.

newsflash:

a lot of people play for more than just pure profit, and being a windbag know-it-all to a captive audience is entertainment for some of them

And those people should stay in Jersey.

I've found that the higher stake players that come to the table, keep their mouths shuts, and just play tend to do very very well at the lower stakes while they wait.

But usually, high stake players love to posture and make sure the table knows just how studly they are. These players tend to spew and donate.

very true. Ego is a huge factor in the game.

Most higher stakes players that got to higher stakes through their own skill (not having their BR contributions from luckboxing a single tourney/trust fund) are still very competitive.

I know that regardless of the stakes I still try to beat everyone to a bloody stump.

There is a difference between being competitive and being an ego maniac.

You can be competitive and quiet.

But i've yet to meet an ego maniac that was quiet. Ego maniacs are compelled to let those around them know just how good they are and how bad everyone else is.

THese players tend to spew and donate at the lower tables while they wait for the 'real game'.

But like I said, the higher limit players that just sit down and play usually do very very well. IMO, they are the minority though, 30%or less of the high stakes players are like this. The rest just can't help themselves .