Due to popular demand, Bellagio Poker Room will offer the following games for Limit Hold'em: $4-$8, $10-$20, $20-$40, $40-$80 and always higher upon request. We will begin offering these limits on Friday, January 7th.

Wow.

The end of the great Bellagio 15-30? :~(

Ditto for the 30-60.

Don't know how I feel about this... pretty big shake-up.

ok, due to popular demand, please, please, please raise the buy-in limit on your 1/2 NL game. The B didn't even used to have it, but then for some reason decided to introduce it and make it the smallest game in town. one extreme to the other. $300, $400, $500...anything but $200!

I am very suprised they would do this; I thought the 15/30 and 30/60 games had still been doing well, but had lost some people. This would split the same customers into 3 games instead of 2, and make it harder for any to go. Plus I have liked the 15/30 there better than the 10/20 or 20/40 in AC. Can anyone confirm?

It'll be very interesting to see how this pans out.

Presumably, it's at least partially a reaction the Venetian's success at 8-16. The Bellagio's new 10-20 game could draw some interest from those players.

The 15-30 players could split up with the weaker players going to 10-20 and the stronger players going to 20-40. Likewise, the 30-60 players could split the same way.

However, if the 40-80 can't run regularly, this could result in simply a lowering of takes from 15-30 and 30-60 to 10-20 and 20-40.

It will be interesting what actually is spread and filled. In my limited experience it appeared they'd have 4-8, but 8-16 rarely was spread leaving a jump the 15-30.

I came back to this thread to edit my post above to clarify what I meant when I said "Presumably, it's at least partially a reaction the Venetian's success at 8-16."

Like bbarker703 said, for more than a year, the Bellagio hasn't been able to get anyting going between their 4-8 and 15-30 games.

If they spread 10/20 w/ red chips, it wont take many players from the 8/16.

Unscientific studies prove $2 8/16 has bigger pots and more action than $5 10/20.

How beatable is the 10/20 when you compare it to both 8/16 and 4/8?

Can anyone else corroborate this? This really sucks if it's true. I wonder who is part of the "popular demand" crowd? I just got back from an 8 day trip to Vegas, and I go 4-5 times a year. I play the $15-30 all the time, and it's always a well received game with 2-3 tables going at a time.

$15-30 is the perfect stakes. $10-20 is way too tight everytime I've ever played it. (remember the snooze fest from the old Mirage $10-20 game???) $20-40 is way to aggressive, attracts "loud mouths", and scares away tourists. $15-30 is the perfect mix, and the blind structure makes for a great game.

If this is true, then I can only hope that Venetian takes over the $15-30 game. I guess it's too early to panic yet, but just from reading this I'm already thinking about changing my next trip to stay at Venetian instead.

Which of the new games will be raked and which will be time games?

I loved the 15-30 at the B, but I'm happy to see 20/40 make its way into the best poker room in vegas! I have a feeling the same fishies who swam around the 15 would be fine with swimming in the new 20...

But I like $10-$20. If they put some room between the tables I might go and play.

This just sucks, if true.

The B's 15 game was the best limit game in town and the 30 game was even better, from an action perspective. IMO,this was partially due to the 2 chip - 3 chip blind structure.

I think that the 10-20 will fail, as the 8-16 did and the 20-40 -> 40-80 gap will be huge.

Let's hope they figure this out sooner, rather than later, before everyone finds a new home.

This.

Limit games played with 2-chip small bet and 4-chip big bet have the Worst. Structure. Evar.

(Actually, the very worst would be 5-10 played with red chips with a $1 or $2 small blind. That game would make 1-5 stud look like an action game.)

So, the ONLY room with MULTIPLE tables for 15-30 and 30-60 decides it isn't working?? The 3-6 chips structure is ideal, 2-4 is horrible and 4-8 i just don't like as it slows the game down. also the 2/3 sb >1/2 sb. /sigh. It amazes me how dumb casino execs are. And the 'popular demand' is total BS. They're jealous of the the V's 8/16?? That's the same crowd from the old mirage 10-20, the exact OPPOSITE of what you want in a limit game.

I actually like the change. I have stopped even going to Bellagio because I didn't want 4/8 but also don't have the bankroll for 15/30. I think the 10/20 will be a nice mid range limit game for people that want to play a little higher. I do agree with others that 8/16 does tend to be a more action game but hopefully the 10/20 will get people that want to move up but not all the way to 15/30.

I don't understand why they'd spread {4/8, 10/20, 20/40, 40/80} instead of {4/8, 8/16, 20/40, 40/80} - the latter is simply the same 4-chip/8-chip structure with $1, $2, $5, and $10 chips respectively. By mixing in a 2-chip/4-chip game, you just increase the probability of screw-ups, both from the dealer and players. Perhaps it's just a simple admission by the Bellagio that they can't compete with the Venetian on the 8/16 level.*

Personally, I think the 3-chip/6-chip structure with 2-chip/3-chip blinds is awesome (granted, I've never played anything above 15/30 so I'm in the "more multiway = better" crowd) because you get some pretty awesome coldcalls when the SB calls just about anything he'd call from the BB.

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* Side note: if anyone from the Bellagio is reading this thread, let me say that your failure at 8/16 is entirely your own fault. If you want an interest list to build for 8/16, you've got to advertise that you'll build an interest list. The last time I tried to start an interest list (this is 1.5 years ago), I got a snicker and my name written on some random scrap of paper. At least the Venetian gave me a smile, had a dedicated spot on their screen for 8/16, and asked every new signup if they'd be interested in starting 8/16, even though (like at the Bellagio) I was the only person on the list for hours.

I hope your 10/20 isn't going down the same path - the people up front behaving like spreading anything lower than 20/40 is a hassle/chore, getting so lax in filling empty seats that games break unnecessarily, and in general being so churlish that playing low limit at the B is like surfing the internet with Internet Explorer (people put up with it for various reasons but nobody's really excited about it).

Not this, please keep 100bbs

If u wana play $500 can play 2/5

Does Roy Cooke move up to the 40-80 or down to the 20-40?

On a side note...

Can we get the mod's to change the "there" to "their" in the tread title... this tilts me beyond reason!

Just out of curiousity, why would you want less money on the table? Although I normally buyin for 100bbs at the 1/3 at Wynn, I would much rather others at the table buy in for $500 rather than something less.

Ironic.

Now, I just put myself on tilt! Sorry - but you get the point.

And, more on topic... has anyone played there in these new structures? Observations?

It's probably only been a few hours since the first games got spread.