last week, a friend was at a table at a poker room in south Florida...

the game was 1/3NL, it was folded MP1 who limped,, then to the button who bet $20.00.
the blinds folded, then the dealer pulled in the $20 bet, took $4 out of the pot for the rake and $2 out of the pot for the jackpot, and returned the remainder to the button.
when my friend asked about, the dealer replied that any money bet was "in the pot" so since they "rake $1 per every $6 in the pot, it was correct".

no one said anything else.
no one called the floor.

so the guy bet's $20 into a $7 pot, takes it down and just get's $21 back?

That just doesn't sound right to me.

This is not right. I have only heard of this being done at home games and on cruise ships. What room was this at?

it was at the big easy in Mardigras... I finally spoke to a floor person on the phone a few minutes ago. (I had tried to call before I posted, but couldn't get anyone that knew anything, 2 people just said but "I'm not sure, can you call back later")

anyway, the floor guy said "well, it would depend on the situation, but i don't think the dealer did it right.

I pressed and asked what situation, and he said there could be a few reasons, such as he didn't rake properly on the hand before (???) then he said since he wasn't there he's not sure.

so it's not a policy, but I guess i'm going to really have to keep an eye on the rake taken out when i'm there. ( not saying they do it intentionally, just that the dealers might make mistakes if the policy isn't totally clear to them.).

Rake should not be taken from uncalled bets. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if certain rooms do it anyway.

Ummm I would have gotten the guys name you were talking to and asked to talk to his boss.....he seems as clueless as you no offense. Everyone knows that uncalled bets are not raked - you got worked, and then it seems like you got worked again on the phone. There is nothing to be unsure of....simple answer...."No, uncalled bets are not raked."

It would depend on the situation????????

They didn't take enough rake the hand before???????? Different players are playing in this hand, why would they be penalized when not enough rake was taken the hand before.

Wow, I'd be counting the rake 100% of the time if I ever played there again (which I probably wouldn't)

At the very least, sounds like you need to speak to someone higher up....

1. $27 "in the pot" and the rake is $4?

2. I would talk to management and explain carefully what happened. Not just "uncalled bet being raked". Give a concrete example and request a concrete response.

3. Explain to the management that next time this happens, you will have everything stopped until the improper rake is returned. Explain that it might cost the house 2-3 hands to rectify the problem. Suggest that they make sure that all the dealers and all the floor understand the rules.

No offense takin, but i wasn't at the table and I told my friend that I thought there is no way in hell that an an uncalled bet should be included in the rake.... I just worded it the way i did in the post so as not to make any assumptions.

the person that answered was obviouly being protective of his dealer and his room, but it's just as obvioulsy not a policy of the room.

If a friend told me that story...

...then a floorman came up with his "if the previous pot was under-raked" theory...

...I'd cross this place off the list of places I would ever play at, and there would be no need to start a thread to discuss it.

BTW, back in the day, I was playing $1-2 NL on Pacific Poker dot com. UTG made it $100 to go, nobody called, he paid $5 in rake.

But the games were so juicy, I didn't cross this site off of any list (how juicy? Players would make it $100 to go UTG!). These were the juiciest games in the history of poker, I now wonder why I didn't quit my job and play them full time, or least more than the 1-2 hrs/night I was playing.

This isn't all that uncommon in FL, especially the tracks. They'll tell you rake is up to $5, but it isn't 10% (as is standard most places). Instead they have a structure. As Op inclined, rake here is taken $1 for every $6. Not standard, but sadly not uncommon.

I don't think it sounds like the floorman was clueless — to me, that sounds more like he knows the rule (that rake is not taken from the uncalled bet), and is throwing in the "it depends on the situation" to try to defuse this particular incident, effective giving the dealer who did it a (nonspecific) out. The fact that he said "it depends on the situation", but could come up with no plausible situation (as the specific example he gave is facially silly), supports this interpretation.

No it should not.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me if it was included on some cruise ship or foreign country somewhere.

It's the rare floor person that doesn't hem and haw some mumbo-jumbo when they don't know wtf happened except that what happened was probably screwed up and have to say something.

I have a big concern with this. I play at the Naples Fort Myers Grey Hound Track in Bonita Springs, FL 5/7 days a week. Doesnt matter the situation or anything if a pot gets opened to $20 at $2/5 and everyone folds. They will take $1 out for the jackpot and $3 out since its over $25. It is absolutely unreal. I have made a fuss about it to countless dealers and they all say that it doesnt matter about no flop no drop its a house rule.

I cant take it. WTF do I do cause the floors do not care because they have a monopoly on this area with poker. Some of the rules here are absolutely disgusting this is just one of them. Please help us, how do we get them to listen to the players cause theyre raping us.

The only solution is to vote with your feet and let management know (in writing) why you will not play there.

If I dont play at the track my closest options are the Immokallee casino which is an hr from me and is LUCKY to have 2 1/2 tables going forget about 2/5 and higher. Or drive to tampa or hollywood hardrock which is at least 2 hrs either way.

You cant even wear a hood in the naples room. You cant move from a 2/5 table to a 2/5 table unless you have under the max buy in for $500 regardless the circumstance, it doesnt matter if youre in for 1k if you have 501 you can not transfer unless you move up or down stakes.

I can keep going.. but you should get the idea.

You guys know you look ridiculous in those hoods, right?

What are you talking about, I think they are quite stylish:

1. Start a "NFMGHT Poker" thread in B&M on 2+2 (if there's not one already). Keep it positive. Talk about the valet, the games spread, etc.
2. Mention it to a couple floors at the room. "Hey, did you see that thread on 2+2 where players are talking about this place?" Maybe one of them will come on and address concerns.
3. THEN start dropping the hammer about these other concerns, and let them know about it.

No guarentee, but at least you'll be able to voice your gripes.

Due to "security reasons", some casinos will not allow you to wear any type of "hoodie", FWIW.

Any supervisor who tells you that it is acceptable for a dealer to over rake on a hand that was under raked on a previous hand is doing it wrong. Plus taking $4 on a $27 pot? Weirdos