Another thought. Can you blind it for more if you want? If so, it would be live.

In no-limit you can live straddle utg for any amount, and it's live.

He probably looked at his hand before he put out the $20. Even if not, he can't prove he didn't.

LOL at this being my fault.

Its $2/$5. Not $1/$2

I had 32 so I was folding no matter what. It really makes no difference to me.

Im just asking for the ruling on the hand. Ive never seen this happen before.

The floor ruled "significant action". I folded and the flop was dealt. I wasnt happy or unhappy. I was shocked that not one person noticed what happened except for me. I would think if Im a player who is facing a $20 raise I would look to see where the raise came from first.

And again..LOL at this being my fault. How does the SB (me) get a KITN here? I wasnt looking when the guy raised. Why should I be looking? Theres 8 other people before it gets to me. I was looking by the time the action got back to me and then I saw the guy to my right had $20 in the pot which should be impossible since hes the BB.

You mean the guy to your left?
He called the UTG raise out of turn because you were taking so long.

Yes, the guy to my left.

But he didnt call the UTG raise out of turn. He open raised the pot. Was that not clear or are you being sarcastic?

Ok, so floor ruled how most here figured - there was significant action. Pretty standard rule. Do you have a different opinion?

It's not your fault alone, but if players are paying attention they could speak up quickly before it gets to the next person.

When I'm in the SB it would take a lot for me not to notice the BB raising OOT, whether I'm paying attention or not. I would have to be either blind folded or sitting with my back towards the table to not notice it.

But Mike is a starr, he doesn't need to even look up until the action is on him.

My back actually was turned. Someone walked up to me to say Hi.

No, I didnt know what shouldve been done. I thought maybe it was a misdeal since the significant action was based on a clearly illegal starting action, but I really had no idea.

Well you're negligent in observing the action properly. Like I said, there is no reason to not know the action during the whole hand since at least like 7 people acted before you.

Obviously everyone in the hand including the BB and the dealer was at fault here but you were as well. I don't remember a hand where I woke up and just "happened to be in the action and had to see what happened".

It is the fault of the dealer, and all of the players at the table, equally distributed.

Was utg one of the callers? If so, he should have known he was first to act. Why did he call a raise from the BB? Could it also be ruled that the raise was from the utg position. BB would take back his raise and be last to act?

Awaiting your inevitable criticism... be kind.

btw, op, what was the actual ruling?

Can you give a breakdown of fault ownership.

The ruling is in the thread. Read above.

That's actually a good question. Does the room allow blind raises, that's effectively what this is. Can the bb take back his "raise" and fold his $5, since in reality action changed to a blind raise. That would be a riot - I fold to the ep "raise" who thought he was calling. Who knows what the bb actually had? The bb could only call or fold, never reraise obviously.

Might as well hear how the hand played out MikeStarr.

Hmmmm...OK

Ill go with
40% to the dealer
40% to the BB who posted his BB and then 15 seconds later open raised. I have no idea how he made that mistake. Hes a rec player but he plays a couple times a month and obviously should know better. Has anyone here ever seen someone do that before?

20% spread to the players with the distribution being more heavily on the EP players who should've been looking at their cards and being ready for the action sooner than the other players. I mean the guy UTG should know hes UTG and should be wondering why hes facing a raise, right? So Ill give him 10% right there. Based on that theory, the only person less at fault than me is the cocktail waitress

IIRC, the 2 guys that called the raise were UTG+1 and MP. UTG def didnt call.

The floor did say specifically that the BB cant reraise preflop. He just treated like an UTG raise. There was nothing of interest that happened post flop.

You sure that"s how it happened? You weren't paying attention.

How else did it happen? The BB posted his blind so he knows hes the BB. It takes the dealer about 15 seconds to deal the cards. And then the BB raised. Its not that hard to picture is it?

Someone mentioned that it is possible that the BB called the raise out of turn because I took too long and wasnt paying attention when the action came to me. Hes right. That could've happened, but that's not what happened. When I stopped the action and said WTF is going on here? Who raised? The BB said "Oops" and of course the dealer was dumfounded.

3 hands later the same dealer pushed a $500+ pot to a guy with AK on a Ax6d3d3xAx board when they other guy tabled Ad8d. The pot got pushed all the way into the AK guys chips stack before I said "Wait!...its a chop". The dealer saw the A8 missed his flush and missed the chopped pot. So Im putting most of the blame on this dealer who clearly isnt doing his job very well.

OP definitely gets less than all the callers. BB gets more than all the callers.

I'd put dealer less than BB but above the callers.

Floor ruled correctly IMO.

As far as a fault breakdown it's like;

49.5% BB
49.5% Dealer
.1% split among the rest of the table

To say OP is at fault is probably not the best choice or words, but it could have easily been prevented by him, or any other player at the table.

That's 99.1%

Who gets the other .9%?

The math nits!

I guess me