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07-05-2017 , 11:48 AM

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andrew12341231

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What happens in these two scenarios in majority of rooms with BBJ's?

P1: 2

P2: Q

Board: 10

P1: K

P2: Q

Board: 10

Would those be paid out in majority of rooms? If not, I couldn't imagine how terrible it would feel.

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07-05-2017 , 12:04 PM

#27

AngusThermopyle

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Neither would be paid out.

In the vast majority (if not all) of rooms with BBJs, both hole cards must play for the hand to qualify.

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07-05-2017 , 12:06 PM

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dinesh

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Each room is different, but most rooms at least require using both cards, and in many a pocket pair is required for quads.

So no, neither of those hands would qualify in some/many/most rooms.

Also, this topic comes up repeatedly. I think we had another thread about it in the last day or two. You will find more opinions there.

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07-05-2017 , 12:12 PM

#29

EvilGreebo

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Originally Posted by Suit

In almost all rooms where you do not need a pocket pair for quads, this hand would qualify for the BBJ. I personally don't know of any rooms where it would not qualify, but that doesn't mean there are none. Some rooms have weird ppl making decisions.

Quad queens with one card beat by straight flush would not qualify for bad beat at Maryland Live or Baltimore Horseshoe.

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07-05-2017 , 12:13 PM

#30

EvilGreebo

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Originally Posted by dinesh

I thought this was the thread that opened a few days ago.

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07-05-2017 , 02:15 PM

#31

timeofyouppi

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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

Neither would be paid out.

In the vast majority (if not all) of rooms with BBJs, both hole cards must play for the hand to qualify.

Depending on the room, hole cards or board cards may play first, for example AQ vs KK on an AAAQ2 board for a room requiring AAATT to be beaten. Some places The board Q counterfeits the jackpot, others the hand's Q will play and the jackpot will hit.

If you're at a new casino, just ask what the rules are. There isn't really a standard nationwide.

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07-05-2017 , 02:44 PM

#32

Suit

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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo

Quad queens with one card beat by straight flush would not qualify for bad beat at Maryland Live or Baltimore Horseshoe.

What does this have to do with my post? I said rooms that allow quads without a pocket pair. Obviously your post says that Maryland Live and Baltimore Horseshoe require a pocket pair.

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07-05-2017 , 03:09 PM

#33

EvilGreebo

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OH I see - I thought you were talking about quads for like a high hand promotion or something.

MD Live/Shoe - 1 card for quads, 2 cards for BBJ

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07-08-2017 , 02:05 PM

#34

Fore

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrew12341231

What happens in these two scenarios in majority of rooms with BBJ's?

P1: 2

P2: Q

Board: 10

P1: K

P2: Q

Board: 10

Would those be paid out in majority of rooms? If not, I couldn't imagine how terrible it would feel.

I know of no room where either hand is a BBJP. But at least in scenario two p2 knows if he happens to lose he will not win. But also would be unusual for scenario to to even reach the river unless BBJP was very large

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07-08-2017 , 07:48 PM

#35

Suit

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I once watched a hand where a player went into the tank on an KK99K board. He kept peeling his cards over and over so I went to take a peek and he had 99. He knew he was beat, just was afraid to call in case the other guy had a <9 kicker. It was a pretty large bet on the river he had to call (500-600 in a 1/2NL game).

Spoiler:

I get the concern but it is a risk you just gotta take.

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07-09-2017 , 01:12 PM

#36

Pensfan

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How about this example where I think I know the answer, both holes cards must be used in the room I play in:

Player One A

Player Two 7

Flop of 9

Turn or River brings the Q

Player 2 flopped a straight flush to the J that was beaten by a Royal, but as it lays Player 2 now has a Q high straight flush using only one card in his hand.

I'm guessing the ruling will be Player 2 has to use the best 5 cards to make his hand and just got pretty unlucky.

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07-09-2017 , 03:17 PM

#37

King Spew

Just average

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 15,219

Yep, Q

disallowed the 7

hand from winning anything......and everything as he now loses the pot to add salt to the wound

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07-09-2017 , 04:02 PM

#38

Fore

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Originally Posted by Pensfan

How about this example where I think I know the answer, both holes cards must be used in the room I play in:

Player One A

Player Two 7

Flop of 9

Turn or River brings the Q

Correct. P2 is just hosed and prob loses his stack. Though I have seen someone lay down bottom end of SF with 4 onboard any was correct to do so. It that was not a Bbjp game.

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07-11-2017 , 08:58 AM

#39

answer20

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Originally Posted by CuseNation

To answer the question tho ive never played in a room where quads qualified with only one of the hole cards. A high hand yes it would qualify but for BBJ its always both cards and for quads its a pocket pair requirement for both hands.

Stopped at #14 .. This .. GL

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07-11-2017 , 10:15 PM

#40

LowSociety

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Originally Posted by dabox007

None. There are FIVE Ten's in your post.

Sorry but I came here interested in the topic, and am crying laughing and leaving this thread. Had to thank you.

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07-11-2017 , 11:25 PM

#41

Fore

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Originally Posted by answer20

Stopped at #14 .. This .. GL

Not everywhere. Some places both hole cards, but three on the board with a kicker that plays will qualify. Close to a fifty fifty split IME. But quads must be pocket pair probably in the lead these days.

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