Grunch. Are we making this more complicated than it should be?

OP said dealer's new, either they intentionally took the big tip or didn't know. We don't know for fact. Same for the tipper...some fish really tip BIG for some stupid reason, I've seen it. I'm not saying this must be it here but it's possible. Ofc *ethically* dealer should've said something, but the player's responsible for his chips. Wouldn't a similar thing be otr, someone calls a guy HU and the bettor mucks, assuming the caller folded and didn't call. Who's fault is that?

The tip in this spot is obviously intentional which is then difference.the player in this spot didn't accidentally tip a dollar when he meant to tip a big blind button.

I like how people are talking about minimum tips because they think dealers make their money on red birds. I'd love a day where everyone gave me minimum tips.

Never had this happen to me. Largest tip I ever gave was a $100 chip at the Bellagio when I turned a K with KK VS AA vs 1010 who flopped bottom set on an AIPF hand. That pot was like $5000 and the dealer still broke it down into $10s until I told him 'No it's all yours'. He said ty about 3 or 4 times. That was a big tip, probably not unheard of at the B, but it was still proper etiquette for the dealer to break it down. I've seen them do that with just about every tip over a $5 chip.

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No green chips in the pot.

So much for the "impossible not to be a mistake" then.

Quite the thread ... Lots of stretching viewpoints. It's tough to find other comparable spots as well. This can be broken down a bit ...

1) Intent of player ... This was a silent 'transaction' and while certainly 'non-standard' there is no way of knowing 'for sure' what was supposed to happen without somehow getting the player involved.

Lots of the comments about other spots have much more clearly defined aspects to them where A + B = C. The $44 'keep the 6' spot is WAY more clearly defined than this one. You can't even compare the patron just silently handing over a $100 bill since there is a clearly defined transaction here ... the $44 tab ... that must be satisfied. Whereas this tip is not tied to any other 'business'.

2) Dealer 'character' ... I don't really want to suggest that the dealer is in a 'tough spot' here but I do think they should find a way to make sure that this is going down as intended. I think a 'loud' "Very generous" with a pause is a great way to accomplish this for 3 reason ...
A) The verbal statement should 'jolt' the player into looking back at the dealer and offers a chance for the player to confirm or change their mind. It also 'rewards' the player for their action. (One could also say it's potential embarrassment for the player as well ... drawing attention to a mistake.)
B) The dealer should feel 'good' about offering the player an opportunity to affirm as well as covering their butt with any employment issues. A 'non-standard' tip should warrant a 'non-standard' response IMO.
C) Any other players at the table that are paying attention see that the dealer gave the player an opportunity to confirm and that they aren't quickly trying to take advantage of a potential mistake. It also would show some genuine appreciation and possibly start a tipping war at some tables!

We have tons of threads about poker rules that 'protect' the Dealer from making 'intent' judgments. We have tons of threads discussing player/dealer/floor/casino moral compasses as well. Most of these spots involve exceptions to the normal flow/activity of a table ... and this is no different.

As we have seen in other threads this does come down to a personal choice. There may or may not be rules/laws in place for a specific spot, but it will always come down to a personal choice as to how they, and whether they care about how any 'witnesses', care about the spot.

Should you have said something? ... YES, but how far beyond the normal you go depends on you, not us. GL

A loud "Very Generous" puts the player now in the spot where all eyes are on him and he has to either look like a cheapskate who takes back part of a tip or suck it up and admit he made a mistake. I prefer the dealer to give the player an easier way out.

the best word to describe it is wrong.
anyone taking something that they know or think was not intentionally given to them is doing wrong. and some of those things can be prosecuted as theft.

although many of us upon finding something that we know wont be returned to the rightful owner but kept by another will keep the item with a clear conscience. whether considered theft or not by a law written to benefit a business.

I don't think it is any of my business at a poker table to interject in this situation. Guy tips a green on purpose or by accident? Dealer slides the green into his box without a word to the tipper? So why is it my responsibility to say something about their transaction? It is action outside of the poker game that has no effect on me personally. Do whatever you want folks, but I just shut up and wait for the next hand.

I would have probably said something to the player if he's near me like "hey man did you mean to tip a 25 chip there?" but not across the table. If he's across the table, I might say 'wow nice tip'. At that point I'm not calling out anyone, just giving a compliment.

It's obviously a bit scummy for the dealer to not mention it at all, but I wouldn't call it theft. It is the player's responsibility to know what he's throwing and to not notice it even after tossing it is something pretty awkward.

It's not your responsibility. It only might be somewhat kind to help someone out if you genuinely saw it and thought it was a mistake. If you made a similar mistake that is most likely viewed as one, wouldn't you want someone speaking up for you?

If you don't want to say anything though, totally fine.

It's just my opinion that tipping is none of my business. No matter what the amount or intent. That's between the player and the dealer. I would not say anything if the guy tipped the waitress a green for a cup of coffee either. There are plenty of things to get involved in verbally at the table, but i don't think tipping is one of them. Just me.

About a month ago I sold bitcoins for cash... they were supposed to pay me $3000. They handed me a bag full of cash. It was not 3000. It was 30,000.

I knew they gave it to me in err but I texted them and gave it back immediately.

So you're saying since they gave it to me it wouldn't be considered stealing? Even though I knew the 30k wasn't mine?

I can just keep repeating "you're not reading" I guess. Why don't you read the thread to figure out the difference between your transaction and a tip. It's really not that hard.

God could descend from the Heavens and brand the definition of "theft" into Kelvis's skin and he'd still reject it.

I know the definition and taking a tip isn't theft. Nobody has provided actual case evidence where it was ruled as theft so until then I am using the definition as it is.

The problem with this discussion is that "morally reprehensible" isn't directly interchangeable with "punishable by law", so I guess you keep standin' on that high ground.

not your money not your problem. If the guy can't distinguish between the very few green chips that are on a 1-2 table between a red/white one then well its a $25 lesson.

lots of different views on this and that is the way different people think about small matters. and makes it easy to see why it becomes hard to get along with many in life.

I wouldn't have said something unless I know the person but it's 26 dollars so w/e. Maybe the player was a friend and wanted to support them. Or another dealer (they tip each other huge sometimes). I've tipped big in some situations.

I don't think it's theft. If the player had accidentally bet $26 when they meant to do $2 call and then didn't notice are the other players supposed to speak up and see if they want to reconsider. How about if the player shoves gets a caller and then realized they misread their hand (A4 for AA) do you let them take it back?

How about if someone's on tilt or drunk, is it unethical to play against them because they're impaired?

IMO poker is a game about personal responsibility, if you make mistakes you pay for it. End of story.

Poker is different as it can create angle shooting.
A player obv mistakenly over tipping is a totally separate situation .

I don't think it's theft , but is along the lines of walking behind someone and you see $100 drop from their pocket, and you stand there for a second or two and just pocket it for yourself.
Your just a super ****ty person.


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Non of my business, not saying anything pay attention. Kind of like mucking your cards when you have the best hand at showdown.

I do like the deal breaking up the 25 and tossing it back though...

But its not like that. Bevcause when you pick up the dropped money you know it isn;t yours. You know who it belongs to, and you know they had no intention of giving it to you.

When someone tips you not one of those things is true.

Let's say it wasn't $26, let's say it was $1,000 +$1. The dealer should confirm out of morality that the tipper meant to tip this right ?

Because it is "an out of the ordinary " tip, which most likely is a mistake since if the person wanted to tip , they would just throw out the single $25 chip , not $25+$1, seems super obvious.



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