But why?

but why bs you cheat me i cancel i go to simpile mobile....

The point is this, and take this and think about it, try not to get defensive.

A top pro in their game would understand each hand they make a mistake from betting $5 too little or bluffing $5 too much.

A top pro would never accent that they don't make mistakes.

You are not and will never be a top player if you don't analyze every single hand for the mistake that was made.

I don't mean note down each hand, I mean think after the hand quickly and file the mistake in your head.

Examples of mistakes...

You river bet 175 and he calls without thinking too long.

You Bluff flop with 4x raise and they fold.

Of course many other things make someone a top pro in their specific game.

Good luck at the tables making MANY MISTAKES!

Best 2/5 player I ever played with says he made $69/Hr over 2 years and about 4500 hours of play.

He was just trying to drop in the ole 69 joke i bet.

Thanks. I will add that to my repertoire. I do make mistakes. Like you said everyone does. All I'm saying is playing a near perfect game regularly warrants less profit per hour than playing a mistake-filled game but only selectively when the game is likely to be soft.

A better strategy would be to do both (optimal play and game selection) and maximize profits.

It's just how the best people mix skill with hard work to get better results than unskilled hard workers and skilled lazy people.

Good stuff.

I couldn't do that efficiently. I am not good enough. And by efficiently, I mean I don't think I could pull in a profit sitting at a nit-fest/TAG game equal or greater than what my work pays me on an hourly basis. My online tournament curve is a marginally declining up-curve since 2010 and break-even since around 2013.

this is pretty funny.


With regard to the title,

2/5 is so vague.

what if its uncapped and some people are sitting with 2,000 eze.

now it should actually be 10/20.

just sayin.

obviously it depends on the game and skill level,

I would say most winning players beat the game for $25ish per hour. 25-15% may be in the 40-50 and there are probably a top 5% that crush for 70+ per hour. If you know a game and players and have good reads on play style and tells you can play near perfect at this stake. Could easily see a smart and seasoned player making 70+ and hour. Of corse that player probably won't stay playing 2/5 for that long.

Anyone use check your bets to keep track?

When I broke it down by days of the week....Wednesday to Saturday were the only profitable days. Sunday to Tuesday were break even.

My overall win rate is six big blinds per hour.

I take you're not familiar with any of the 50 or so cringe-worthy threads created by MTT_9797. Here's but one example:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...-best-1529671/

I just started playing live again after retiring from poker for a bit. I use to crush 200 nl on stars and was the 200 nl ugl leader before Black Friday. So far in two months of playing for fun at Bethlahem sands I've been crushing 1-2 for about 50 an hour. The play is so much weaker compared to online. I'll post my graph as the year goes on. It will be interesting to see what hourly rates I can obtain on each level at about 500 hours on each. I know that's not a huge sampling but it gives an idea of what an elite online player can achieve at each level. 1-2 is especially fun for me cause of the absolute awfulness of skill and how to exploit it is a game unto itself.

No, it doesn't give an idea.

it depends on the max buyin. generally, crushers make around $50/hr at a 100bb game, and ive heard of up to $70, but those players move up really fast. if its 200bb or more then $100 is not unsustainable.

Started tracking my 3/5 200BB game in AZ Jan 1 2017. Hoping to put in 500-700 hours per year. Can't really move up in stakes (5/10 rarely runs here, and even if it did, AZ has a $500 max bet, which makes any game above 2/5 limit by the turn...). Running very well so far this year at $91/h, but small sample. Hoping to keep it above $40 by EOY at 700'ish hours.

how do u guys feel concerning specifically, the redrocks $2-5 game? how much should it be worth per hour? i seldom play $2-5 but they sure have a great $1-2 game.

also, the wynns room sure isnt good. its good if u wish to be seated very fast, but not if u wish to win easily

i wouldnt think a place "7 minutes from the poker room" would be too safe in detroit. when i was there i lived at my friend Ray's out in Sylvania. if not there, the extended stay america by the airport with big uber expenses, once his car gave out and it left me without transportation, plus he wasnt winning like i was. the $1-2 in motor city u cant win due to the max buyin being $200. but in greektown (the ONLY room worth playing in in detroit) u can match the big stack at the table. greektown is full of thugs on drugs buying in deep, which is why im up $40 per hour over the small sample size of 60 hours for the month i was there. of course i play way more than 60 hours per month but the rest of the time was in toledo and the other 2 casinos. i never played the $2-5 in motor city because i assumed it wouldnt be beatable for nearly as much per hour as greektowns $1-3 since much better quality opposition would be there.

I've been forced mostly by my full time job to play only at MCC since they're the only one to have a lot of games Tuesday at 3am. Now GT can definitely have a lot of bad players but it's not like MCC is stacked with pros. There's maybe 2 or 3 regulars I try not to mix it up with but that's it.


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