Just recently went deep in a live tourney and was wondering if this cash game stake is beatable with the rake? Should i just wait for the next set of events?(BTW from Australia so playing online is not an option)

The answer is always: If the players are bad enough, any rake is beatable.

But this is a terrible rake.

Yes, it's beatable. There's plenty of solid winners in the 2/5 game at Crown. Even in the 1/3 game with the same rake.

The 1/2 is the only one that's definitely not beatable.

How deep are the stacks?
How big is the average pot size?
How much skill advantage do you have over the table?

I look at how many pots I can take down PF (assuming no Flop no drop) and how much action there is when hands to get to Showdown. If you can get 1-2 guys to pay the rake for you then you still 'win' even if it's HU at Showdown you should be able to overcome the rake. GL

Just wondering why this was included in the post?

Key question to me is how big is the max buy in and how often people buy in for the max. If people are routinely buying in for 1k+ this game is very beatable. If everyone is sitting 200-500 it probably isn't.

I play 1/2 uncapped that plays more like 2/5. Routinely stacks of $1k+ and some big whales. Rake is 10% capped at 13 and I tip reasonably well. I'm beating the game for over $20/hour in a 500 hour sample and don't think I'm the biggest winner in the game. That said, if the exact same game were a $7/30 minutes time charge and otherwise identical think I'd be winning at least $10/hour more and maybe 15

If you win 2 hands an hour, you are paying a max of $30/hr in rake. Not every hand is raked to the max so lets say you pay $20/hr in rake.

The same person playing a more standard rake of 10% with a $5 max is probably paying something like $8/hr in rake.

So youre paying $12/hr extra rake. If your a really good player who can make $40/hr under more normal rake conditions then you would be making $28/hr under the stupidly high rake. If you are only a decent player that extra rake might make you a break even player. So, Yes its beatable if you are a good player....but man does that rake suck!

Wouldn't it be the same as a 1/2 game with a $6 take (actually an $.80/$2 game but 1/2 is close enough).

Only if the players are equally bad. But as a rule it is much less common to find a truly terrible player at 2/5. There are some, but a lot fewer of them than there are at 1/2. 1/2 players make a lot of really obvious and easily exploitable mistakes. 2/5 players also make mistakes, but not as many and they're not as obvious.

[QUOTE=cltrich;52727895]Wouldn't it be the same as a 1/2 game with a $6 take (actually an $.80/$2 game but 1/2 is close enough).[/QUOTE]

If we ignore how good/bad the player pool is then the 1/2 rake is way worse! In that game they are taking 3bb even if the pot is like $10 right?

I have a question regarding this too (Ive never played in a 1/2 with a 6 drop), what would happen if one guy limps, the sb completes and it gets checked down to the river? Do they just take the whole pot????

I know a few guys who are crushing 2/5 at crown over a large sample.

I am beating 1/3 pretty well over a 200 hours in the past 2.5 months as well. The rake is high af but the player pool on average is pretty weak so if you can play well you can most definitely beat the game

The rake is horrible in Australia and the last thing I want to do is defend it, but there are a couple more points to note that makes it different from most places, some positive and some negative.....

- Tipping is not allowed (law)
- No flop but there is still a drop
- Players cannot lose in chopped pots. So, if SB and BB each get $100 in, and nobody else puts money in the pot, and they end up chopping the pot, they will each get $100 back and there'll be no rake
- Drinks are at full bar prices. They are not complimentary or covered by a tip to the cocktail waitress
- There is a seating charge of $5 which has to be paid again if you initiate a table change
- The $15 rake (Melbourne) is actually a $12+$3 with the $3 theoretically funding the jackpot payout

And btw, yes, it is beatable, but the lower raked games elsewhere in the world are, on average, more beatable.


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lol take was a typo. I meant 1/2 w a $6 rake.

I have heard they have 1/2 games in California with a $6 "drop", when you say a $6 rake do you mean a $6 Capp? I wonder what happens in one of these games when 1 guy limps the small blind completes and it gets to show down with no further action? Does the casino just take the whole pot??

In regards to the op, I imagine this game to only be beatable if you use an extremely nitty stratagy.

It's more about getting into hands with players who are willing to play big pots.

watch if you can find 15 bucks in dead money in each pot or the equivalent amount in smaller ones that pays for the rake. im talking true dead money. then the game is beatable for the best player at the table.

each one down the list needs more dead money to win.

thats reality.