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11-20-2016 , 02:47 PM
1/2 100 max is infested with fish usually 2 regs per table, rest are pretty spewy not quite fish but deffs not thinking players, does 50bbs give me enough room to exploit them? Or should I play 1/3 100bbs deep with about 1-2 bad players 2 regs rest ok-decent players.

I'm a winning player at .02.05 6 max online

My poker bankroll currently is only about $1,100
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11-20-2016 , 03:27 PM
you should be playing 1/2 assuming you always buy in for max, which you should.

~4 buy ins are no where close to play the 1/3 game. maybe if you are able to replenish your roll then maybe you could make a case for playing this game. but I would stick to 1/2 for the time being.
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11-20-2016 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by champagnepapi
you should be playing 1/2 assuming you always buy in for max, which you should.

~4 buy ins are no where close to play the 1/3 game. maybe if you are able to replenish your roll then maybe you could make a case for playing this game. but I would stick to 1/2 for the time being.
I'll take your advice, just say my bankroll was a bit higher, say $3,000 could I take some shots at 1/3? Or is that a bit too aggressive
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11-20-2016 , 10:39 PM
that should be fine assuming you don't have any major leaks ie tilting, playing too many hands, or bluffing.
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11-21-2016 , 06:13 PM
Sounds like crown melbourne.
I hate that its not 200 max

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11-21-2016 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by potsclub
Sounds like crown melbourne.
I hate that its not 200 max

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That's the one, and yeah same.
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11-21-2016 , 07:42 PM
Such a loose game... stick with 1/2 and you will get to 1/3 quicker than expected.

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11-21-2016 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by potsclub
Such a loose game... stick with 1/2 and you will get to 1/3 quicker than expected.

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Having trouble adjusting from online play, and/or 1/2 in my old hometown where people play properlyish, flop bets are always 10-15 turn 20 river 25 regardless of pot size lmao
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11-22-2016 , 02:31 AM
1/2 with $100 max, just simply isn't poker. It will basically be a call/shove/fold fest, with no real in betweens. If you're looking to improve your game, sit at the 1/3, with a $200 buy in. 1/3 is still absurdly loose/soft games, and you can actually bluff here and there, force people off pots, etc... While 5 buy ins give or take isn't optimal, play a little tighter than you normally would til you get to the 8-10 buy in range, than open it up a little, but if you're looking to improve your game, 1/3 is the way to go, playing 1/2 with 50bb max will if anything probably make your game worse in the longrun if you believe that's how poker is really played....
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11-22-2016 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by NHTPA
1/2 with $100 max, just simply isn't poker.
Not sure I agree with this. If you understand short stack strategy your edge will be massive in this game where the avg villain is playing way too loose.

Understand hands that can make top pair are valuable in this game, while suited connectors and low pairs lose value.

But to say this is not poker and it's just shove any two without having a strategy is BS.

And then you say to play $1-$3 because you can bluff people, but then tell him to play tighter than normal, so not quite sure what strategy you recommend he play in the $300 max game.
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11-22-2016 , 04:42 AM
You're going to have to learn to play against 50bb stacks and players who don't fold no matter what stakes you play
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11-22-2016 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxPowers411
Not sure I agree with this. If you understand short stack strategy your edge will be massive in this game where the avg villain is playing way too loose.

Understand hands that can make top pair are valuable in this game, while suited connectors and low pairs lose value.

But to say this is not poker and it's just shove any two without having a strategy is BS.

And then you say to play $1-$3 because you can bluff people, but then tell him to play tighter than normal, so not quite sure what strategy you recommend he play in the $300 max game.
Not saying there is NO STRATEGY however, when you figure the average preflop raise is $15-20, and the average continuation bet is usually $25-$30 after the flop, assuming everyone has the max buy in and rebuys everytime they fall below $100 (isn't very likely) there's not much room to push people off a hand, what are you going to do, repop them for $25.00 to get them off a $200 pot? If you are looking to improve your game, the 1/3 is the way to do it, if you're looking to play short stack poker, fine, but also going to be a lot more variance if you go card dead/flop dead in a game like that though.

Also, you can tighten up and still make plays against weaker players in a 1/3 game, where after a continuation bet, you still have $160 behind you vs. $25 behind you.

Don't really think it's even arguable to be honest, yes the 1/2 with a 50bb buy in is good to teach you some short stack poker, but if you're looking to improve your overall game, 1/3 is the way to go, and if you play 500 hours of 1/2 50bb buy in and believe that's how the game is played, and think it's going to help you become a better 1/3 player, or be played even remotely the same way, I think he'll be in for a rude awakening with stacks that shallow.
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11-22-2016 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NHTPA
Not saying there is NO STRATEGY however, when you figure the average preflop raise is $15-20, and the average continuation bet is usually $25-$30 after the flop, assuming everyone has the max buy in and rebuys everytime they fall below $100 (isn't very likely) there's not much room to push people off a hand, what are you going to do, repop them for $25.00 to get them off a $200 pot? If you are looking to improve your game, the 1/3 is the way to do it, if you're looking to play short stack poker, fine, but also going to be a lot more variance if you go card dead/flop dead in a game like that though.

Also, you can tighten up and still make plays against weaker players in a 1/3 game, where after a continuation bet, you still have $160 behind you vs. $25 behind you.

Yeah I see your point but I think you missed mine. Both games are gonna be super loose, wait-for-the-nuts type games, so i'm not trying to push people off hands in either game. You keep bringing up pushing people off of hands. Im saying adjust your strategy and realize they will never fold, regardless if we sit at 1/2 or at 1/3. Both games will play similar(people playing way too loose) and our opponents are making a much bigger mistake when they limp call pre flop with 54s and have only 50bb compared to when they do it 100bb+ deep.

And remember it goes both ways, you say we can tighten up and make plays vs the weaker players. But in this case OP will be that weaker player if he's new to casino poker and sitting with 25% of his roll on the table.
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11-22-2016 , 11:00 PM
Well, that's why I told him to sit with 200, so he'd had less than 20% of his roll on the table... Also, wasn't saying tighten up and play only the nuts, but more of the don't try and be a hero, or make some crazy chase down a flush draw call for $120.00 either....which you might do every now and then if you're properly rolled. There's a happy medium and enough good spots in a 1/3 game where as long as you don't go totally card dead for 3-4 hours, you should be able to get paid off on the nice hands you have, and walk out with a profit, which is basically what you're trying to do your first few times if you really are underrolled....

Also, think it's a huge misconception that you can't get people off hands in a 1/3 game. I'd say the average 1/3 game has 3-4 spewy guys and 2-3 nits. Obviously after your at a table for an hour or two you'll know who's who, but picking up on betting patterns, how much they bet, do they play scared etc. If say a nitty player is leading out and you figure he's got top pair, as do you, if he leads out say $18 on a two club board, then $25 on the turn when it's junk, then the river is the 3rd club and he checks it, firing $60-$70 into the pot against the the tight guy who thought you were chasing down the flush will take that pot down 9 out of 10 times... Once again, have to pay attention to who you're betting against etc, but think peoples "you can't really get people off hands at a 1/3 game" but paying attention on who you can do that too, and doing that even 1-2 times a session, can be the difference between a profitable and losing session. Also, if you do it, and bluffing isn't really your game, showing it down after, and showing the bluff, then tightening up after, will get you a lot more donk calls as the game goes on.
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11-24-2016 , 10:08 PM
My roll is down to $188 after losing 7 or so bis (I think more) trying to play the $1/$2, just calling too many donk all ins, cbetting too many flops, semi bluffing too much :/ I need to take a few days off and just relax and take 1 last shot at it. I've seen people sitting there with 8 buy in stacks playing extremely safe and exploitably
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11-25-2016 , 08:27 PM
1) At 50bb there is really never any semi-bluffing unless you have a super nit involved. FE doesn't exist when you are this shallow ... or go play a tournament.

2) Play less hands OOP and more IP.

3) Never limp, always open or 3-bet unless you can really count on your UTG limp getting a raise so you 'can' 3-bet with AA-QQ.

4) Just remember you are playing cards, not poker. Use your math to get into good spots and hope the deck is nice to you.
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11-28-2016 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by potsclub
Such a loose game... stick with 1/2 and you will get to 1/3 quicker than expected.

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Br down to -$122

Called a 10x overbet shove pre with 10s (he does this with any pocket pair 2s through jacks, so I think it's a pretty +ev play. He shows 9s and turns a set.

Called AQo in the SB after mp opens to 8 flop is A88r, I check he check backs, I think his range is pretty limited to pps that aren't happy to see the ace, kqo would cbet, Ako miiiight check back. Turn is a 4 I lead for 30% pot to entice kings through 10s to call. Then bet half pot on a blank river, he raises but the dealer said min raise so I didn't think twice about calling, turns out he 3.5xd my raise and flops over 8s I have to put another 1.5x in.

I jam k5o with 12bbs in the hj, quad guy calls with 10 6 flops two pair

Rip I really enjoy playing poker, and I honestly think I'm doing well but now I'm down 10 buy ins in what I think is an extremely soft game.. I just don't know what to do now, I don't have enough money to keep playing poker either.
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11-29-2016 , 10:22 PM
Going to try my luck tonight.... not sure what game I'll play yet.

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11-30-2016 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by potsclub
Going to try my luck tonight.... not sure what game I'll play yet.

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The $65 sats are extremely soft, people limping for 5% of their stacks then folding 6s for another 9bb to a jam.

$50+$15 2/10 places win a $250 ticket
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11-30-2016 , 08:34 AM
In for 500 out for 1200.
Good night

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11-30-2016 , 12:18 PM
Turtol ... Who is calling your River bet on A88 board? I think OOP you need to be ready to c/c the River to avoid the raise. With no c-bet you can correctly deduct that your opponent doesn't have an Ace, but what is he calling the Turn with? Give him the opportunity to bluff the River or just live with the pot.

I would also suggest that you switch your bet sizes to 50% on the Turn and only 30% (as a blocker bet) on the River if you want to take this line. If a player is going to continue on that Turn board they will be willing to call more than 30% of the pot and then you can 'safely' get to showdown on the River and you made the 'extra' value on the Turn when a player folds to your (now smaller, but 'same' size as Turn) River bet. When you lead the Turn and River you are projecting Ax or 8x and your opponent can play perfectly against you in position ... just be happy for a showdown or ready to c/c the River bet. There's certainly nothing wrong with showing AQ from the SB to the table!! GL
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11-30-2016 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
Turtol ... Who is calling your River bet on A88 board? I think OOP you need to be ready to c/c the River to avoid the raise. With no c-bet you can correctly deduct that your opponent doesn't have an Ace, but what is he calling the Turn with? Give him the opportunity to bluff the River or just live with the pot.

I would also suggest that you switch your bet sizes to 50% on the Turn and only 30% (as a blocker bet) on the River if you want to take this line. If a player is going to continue on that Turn board they will be willing to call more than 30% of the pot and then you can 'safely' get to showdown on the River and you made the 'extra' value on the Turn when a player folds to your (now smaller, but 'same' size as Turn) River bet. When you lead the Turn and River you are projecting Ax or 8x and your opponent can play perfectly against you in position ... just be happy for a showdown or ready to c/c the River bet. There's certainly nothing wrong with showing AQ from the SB to the table!! GL


Yeah, looking back I wasn't thinking enough about the hand, the ****ing 10 second timer doesn't allow for much thought process.

his range OTF after he checks back (now that I'm looking back) is probably

pocket pairs 2s through aces (kings through 10s seem likely to check back) maybe an A8s seeing as he's the only solid player at the table not playing junk, so I can remove scs as he opened from LP. The turn bet I wanted to induce from kings through 10s, but I think I should have checked back turn, then went for a half pot value bet OTR, folding to a reraise as that is literally NEVER a bluff, weaker aces will just call, but I'm not sure if i can fold river he reraises as tpgk is pretty close to the top of my range that gets to the river that way



In for 500 out for 1200.
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played 2/5? that is a good result =o

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12-01-2016 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Turtol
Yeah, looking back I wasn't thinking enough about the hand, the ****ing 10 second timer doesn't allow for much thought process.

his range OTF after he checks back (now that I'm looking back) is probably

pocket pairs 2s through aces (kings through 10s seem likely to check back) maybe an A8s seeing as he's the only solid player at the table not playing junk, so I can remove scs as he opened from LP. The turn bet I wanted to induce from kings through 10s, but I think I should have checked back turn, then went for a half pot value bet OTR, folding to a reraise as that is literally NEVER a bluff, weaker aces will just call, but I'm not sure if i can fold river he reraises as tpgk is pretty close to the top of my range that gets to the river that way



In for 500 out for 1200.
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played 2/5? that is a good result =o
Na mate... i played 1/3 and had two shots at it....
Those timers are fkn annoying.
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12-08-2016 , 08:58 PM
See how we go tonight again... hopefully another cash

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12-08-2016 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Turtol
Called AQo in the SB after mp opens to 8 flop is A88r, I check he check backs, I think his range is pretty limited to pps that aren't happy to see the ace, kqo would cbet, Ako miiiight check back. Turn is a 4 I lead for 30% pot to entice kings through 10s to call. Then bet half pot on a blank river, he raises but the dealer said min raise so I didn't think twice about calling, turns out he 3.5xd my raise and flops over 8s I have to put another 1.5x in.
Biggest lesson to learn from this hand: at 1/2, people don't bluff.

If someone bets on the river, and ESPECIALLY if someone raises on the river, they are pretty sure they have you beat. Now is this ALWAYS true? No. But it is true the VAST majority of the time. Now that isn't to say that they aren't misjudging their hand strength. People will commit with TPGK, but that isn't because they are "turning their hand into a bluff." It is because they think they are winning.

You will save yourself a lot of money in the long run by just not calling river bets with middle strength hands at 1/2.
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