It's only a problem when you are playing a hand and someone begging for a chop won't shut up. Can easily influence the hand. That's why chops should never be discussed why hands are played. A long time ago in a small tournament I had three people calling me names for not doing a deal. But this situation won't happen in a bigger tourney.

They can make more offers if they want. That isn't what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about when someone says "No", the offer doesn't change, and the floor doesn't stop them and tell the dealer to get the cards in the air.

When I've had a problem like this there was no actual negotiation. A majority of players wanted a particular chop done, someone wasn't interested, and the majority basically harassed the other players(s).

I don't think it was unfair, as everyone did agree. As mentioned, it probably wasn't going to run much longer, at least before someone else got knocked out and the chop deal got sweeter.

It sounds like the chip leader managed to exploit the rest of the people worried about bubbling and getting shut out.

As far as other people's splits... I don't know how he could have prevented her from handing out 20s after the chop... but I don't know why she would.


I have sometimes stuck my nose into home game chop deals, as some more experienced players will make 'unfair' deals and take advantage of newbies. Generally the 'newbie' isn't happy, as I now look like I'm calling them dumb for accepting an unfair deal. I've stopped worrying about others, unless they ask. I just decided if I'm good with the deal.

Uh...so then this is your price dude. Are you even reading psandman's posts or just willy nilly replying to them because you want to argue on the internet for some reason?

we started the negotiation during the break. when the floor saw we were all at the table she said she was going to start the clock. we were still negotiating during 2 or 3 hands of play. the floor also said if we chopped but kept playing (for trophy and any remaining money not chopped) that blind levels would be reduced from 20 to 10 minutes.

btw I wasn't complaining about the deal, I was just asking thoughts on it. obv if I didn't want to do it I would have said no. 100% ICM was suggested but luckbox didn't want that because he didn't understand what ICM meant even after we explained it.

Im happy taking being risk averse in this situation and taking the 1100. obv 3000 and a trophy that says WPT on it would be nice for someone like me who rarely plays live

Are you even reading my posts or just willy nilly replying to them because you want to argue on the internet for some reason?

It seems like the best choice in this situation given than you couldn't give the short stack less money would be to wait until the short stack has either busted or doubled up and then re-evaluate. There's no reason why this is a binary choice of either accept the immediate deal or play it out until the end.

Start writing good posts and I might read them. The type of negotiations that psandman is talking about is not "harassment", snowflake.

There was a pretty decent article in the magazine (somewhat rare imo, ) regarding tournament chops many months ago.

You are completely right, I have no idea why I didn't see it quicker. Can we move on now?

Very much the opposite IME.