because you have to know if the second all in was a legal raise to the previous one that re opens the betting.

Reopens the betting for who? First player can't raise because he is already all in.

I got a few regs who want a full accounting of all bets before they look at their cards. Often, after being satisfactorily informed, they will finally look, and insta-muck.

If you're That Guy, I understand your table-mates' frustration.

thats where a floor person is supposed to step in and tell them they are ruining the flow of the game.

It depends, if there are two shoves and I cannot see/count smallstack, an approximate "about 250" should be more than enough. If it is 238 or 262 has no effect what so ever on the decision and forcing an exact count is just stupid and holding up the game. If you have concerns about an angleshoot ("approx 250" from player turns out to be 100 or 400 or w/e), just ask the dealer for an approximate.

lol @ those players ever playing profitably. If they are muddling that much useless information in their decision process and taking forever to make a decision, they are not there to win money, but more just to kill time.

As long as it's in turn, there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking for a count of a lesser all-in when there are two all-ins in question. There is, however, something wrong with a player interjecting into the hand. The dealer is obviously also in the wrong.

1) yes he is entitled to know all action on this street including both air in sizes
2) as written we don't know that there is anyone to raise
3) as written he has not acted on this street so regardless of the raise size if there was a fourth player in, op could re-raise
4) even if op had previously acted on this street, only the size of the larger all in is needed to,determine if he could raise.

So yes op is entitled but not for the reason you posted. Though in some particular scenarios you may need to know the size of the smaller all in to know the min raise size. Right answer for the wrong reason.

I thought OP was asking in general, I wasn't talking about this hand only

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To which you reply thank you, I know he covers me. Now a count please

What was your stack?

Why

If his stack is $10 the dealer has a point in being annoyed by the question. He should answer it anyway though.

Still a valid question. Even if I have $10, knowing how the action went between the two previous all-ins, and what percentage of their stacks they are risking can be very crucial to me trying to evaluate their ranges

If i have less than the initial 250 bet, i am being that guy. If i have 400 or less, the same. If i have the 500+ bet covered (or another big stack behind me yet to act), i agree w spew.

With these numbers its pretty easy to figure the main will be 3x 250 and a side will be 2x 250ish and second shover is risking 1/2 his stack if no one else calls.

But not to calculate his pot odds. That was the specific question.

You altered the scenerio when you said 'if the OP only has $10, dealer has a right to be annoyed'. My point is that even in that situation, it is a legit question and the dealer should not be annoyed. Dealer doesn't need to know why the player asked.

You are entitled to know the size of both bets.

I'm kind of surprised at people here not realizing the importance.

But you have to be careful in game of not tipping of the d**khead as to why you want to know. Better to let him not care about pot odds or implied odds.

Also, there are other reasons to ask for the counts.

I have been royally screwed by somebody who said "all-in" but didn't move their chips in. I asked the dealer if he was all-in and the Dealer said "yes". I then called and the player claimed he never said anything. So now I generally ask for a count when chips aren't moved in. I may call/fold after the chips are moved forward but before the Dealer has finished the count, because I can see that the bet is for all the chips.

Another more subtle reason to ask is that the 2nd guy has probably looked at how much he will lose if he loses HU. The smaller the cushion he has, the stronger his range. I find this particularly true in tournaments. Guys who are risking less than 25% of their stack will often try to isolate fairly lightly.

If he doesn’t know both how can he calf pot odds? Doesn’t know the size of the main nor side pot.

He doesn't need to know the size of the side pot and the main pot is 3x his $10 stack plus at least the blinds.

Only after you added the silly $10 stack fantasy. The op gave the pot odds reason without the $10 and the op was correct.

In any case, nobody should be questioning why a player needs that information while the hand is still in progress. There's always a chance they need to know for some reason you haven't thought of and you're disrupting the hand by forcing them to explain why it matters.

After the hand is over you could consider saying something. Even then it's probably not worth it most of the time.

^ +99!

This just happened at FW in a tourney.

A guy facing two all-ins asked for a count. The Dealer gave him a count of the bigger stack. The guy asked for a count of the smaller stack and the Dealer just told him it was smaller. So the guy went fairly ballistic. He had to ask the Dealer three times before he got a count. Several players at the table joined in to either ridicule the guy or tell him it didn't matter.

I also told the Dealer to count the smaller stack (so no, I wasn't the guy).

In the end, there was no doubt that the Dealer would have to give the count. But it became apparent as to why everybody didn't want him to have to. It slows down the game.

An approximate count of the two stacks is completely reasonable and critical in a spot where they are significantly different. If Hero covers, knowing his V's have approximately 250 and 520 means that he can profitably call if he believes he is ahead of V2 based on the side pot, plus has some chance to win the main.

Hero should also always protect himself if he is unable to fully see the stack or count due to some oddball stacking method.

At the same time, don't make the dealer count the change once you know the approximate amount. Similarly, if the stacks are in clear view or similar in size, look at the stacks, do the rough math, and make the decision.

Summary: Ask for a rough count when it actually matters or you cant see the chips and it's fine. Do it in other times and it's just wasting time.