Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players? - Page 2 - Poker Card Room

Abe · 04-05-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WindyCityJ

Why is it that people who play NL think they are so much better at all forms of poker than players who don't play much NL?

Because they saw it on TV. Maybe their hero (Mike the Mouth) said that.

gravy77 · 04-05-2011, 09:43 PM

I never play it but I honestly wish I had the skills to play mid/high limit well; to me it seems obvious that good limit skills would be very useful in any poker game.

Since most NL players are losers, the opinion "they" have has no real aggregate value

LiveActionPro · 04-05-2011, 09:58 PM

If most NL players are losers and bad, why wouldnt you prefer to play NL since there are more fish?

PdPG · 04-05-2011, 10:15 PM

I have a few ideas why, but the important thing is that I love when they sit in my game.

Grim Horse · 04-05-2011, 10:31 PM

"How much can I bet now?" The same as the last time you asked.

Mr Rick · 04-05-2011, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveActionPro

If most NL players are losers and bad, why wouldnt you prefer to play NL since there are more fish?

Most LHE players are losers and bad too.

In LHE there are more hands per hour and as a result more rake taken off the table. Including tips to dealers it can cost from $12/hr to $20/hr per player to play LHE and thats not counting the win/loss from playing poker. There are probably only 2 maybe 3 players per 10 that make money.

However, we LHE players love it when NL players sit down to play our simple little game.

Howard Beale · 04-06-2011, 12:30 AM

LOL, NL players think that they are better at all forms of poker? Most forms of poker are NOT NL and I don't think that the NL players think they are better at them in which they are right. I once had a guy at a 15-30 game 8-bet/call w/o the nuts OTR and I was all

until he got called to a NL game and then I understood. I once told a NL guy who wanted to try 0/8 that if he flopped top-set he'd usually need to improve and he was all

. Many of these NL guys think that they've got the best game simply bec they can make big bets and consider limit bets to be sissy. But they are pretty much stuck w/ only playing HE and a bit of NL 0/8 which is never going to get big in B&M play. So let them have their POV and let them have their game and don't pay attention to their superior attitude.

nvman21 · 04-06-2011, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Coug MJ

A better question is why don't people who start threads try spell check. Batter up.

+1

[ ] NL players BETTER at all other games
[x] NL players BETTER at spelling

msd550 · 04-06-2011, 02:02 AM

I think it's like Howard says, they're trying to feel "superior" to people that player other forms of poker. So many people say that NL is the game that requires the most skill. I'm actually one that thinks the opposite. I think it's the limit games that require the most skill to be able to profit at.

I feel like the NL players are trying to justify the fact that they really don't know how to put a player on a hand or figure out when it's a good time to play against someone and when it's not. Skills that you really need to have to play most forms of limit poker. I see it all the time when someone tries to play limit and complains their one pair won't hold up because no one will fold. Sometimes I even see it in NL when a player believes so strongly that their 1 pair is good and then can't believe their eyes when I'm stacking their chips with 2 pair.

spino1i · 04-06-2011, 03:05 AM

As someone who plays both games at a very high level, they are both games with equal complexity, but NL allows for big edges relative to variance. That is all. Oh and the "limit is a science, NL is an art" is a load of crock.

spino1i · 04-06-2011, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Rick

Most LHE players are losers and bad too.

In LHE there are more hands per hour and as a result more rake taken off the table. Including tips to dealers it can cost from $12/hr to $20/hr per player to play LHE and thats not counting the win/loss from playing poker. There are probably only 2 maybe 3 players per 10 that make money.

However, we LHE players love it when NL players sit down to play our simple little game.

yah this is one of the main reasons why its hard to win in lower stakes live limit hold'em.

IbelieveinChipKelly · 04-06-2011, 03:40 AM

i played LHE the first time i ever played live in a casino. i walked by a NL table, saw the action and decided that i wanted to be sure to play for 8 hours or so before i left since i drove from philly to ac to play. not too far, but far enough that i didn't want to turn around and leave an hour later. anyway, it was a lot of fun. i played for 8 hours and won like $40. i could make more at a minimum wage job, but not have as much fun.

whenever i go on a losing streak due to variance or bad play at nl now, i think, maybe i'll sit at a LHE table. then i think i would be really bored to do that and i'd rather just go to the NL table shortstacked. it's not that i don't respect LHE players, but i just don't think the rush is the same as playing NL. just my opinion.

poke4fun · 04-06-2011, 04:03 AM

In most casinos that offer both games, the weaker players always seem to choose limit over no-limit, and naturally the perception is that NL is a tougher game.

KL03 · 04-06-2011, 04:04 AM

I do agree that since mistakes are magnified in NL, you need to be a better player to win. But I sure do love it when an NL player sits down at a limit game.

MikeyChipEater · 04-06-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by VvsKing

Most poker players think they are better than they actually are, and most nl players don't understand how limit is supposed to be played, I used to be one of those guys. I use to be the guy who used the all too famous "you can't protect your hand" lines etc. Solid players who have a real understanding for the game understand that both type of games are their own artform, but I do agree that the level of thinking is deeper in nl than limit for just the simple fact that your mistakes are magnified. I went through a year stretch of taking viscious beat after beat in nl, and I completely understand the variance variance etc. But when you are playing to pay your bills your landlord doesn't take variance extensions, so I switched back to limit and I have less variance in that game and its what I am able to make the most profit with so thats why I play limit. At the end of the day all that matters is what game are you most successful with, and for me that is 20/40 limit.

well said.