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Old 04-05-2011, 04:25 PM   #1
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Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

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Why is it that people who play NL think they are so much better at all forms of poker than players who don't play much NL?
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Old 04-05-2011, 04:39 PM   #2
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

They don't, just people on here do, which really do not make up the majority of players!
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Old 04-05-2011, 04:48 PM   #3
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

Most poker players think they are better than they actually are, and most nl players don't understand how limit is supposed to be played, I used to be one of those guys. I use to be the guy who used the all too famous "you can't protect your hand" lines etc. Solid players who have a real understanding for the game understand that both type of games are their own artform, but I do agree that the level of thinking is deeper in nl than limit for just the simple fact that your mistakes are magnified. I went through a year stretch of taking viscious beat after beat in nl, and I completely understand the variance variance etc. But when you are playing to pay your bills your landlord doesn't take variance extensions, so I switched back to limit and I have less variance in that game and its what I am able to make the most profit with so thats why I play limit. At the end of the day all that matters is what game are you most successful with, and for me that is 20/40 limit.
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:27 PM   #4
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

Becuase no limit is a much deeper thinking game and requires alot more skill then limit to be a winning player. limit is straight forward, you cant really make any plays, cant really bluff and cant really put anyone to major decisions, pretty much its bet,call, bet,call, to showdown. Its extremely boring and uncreative
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:32 PM   #5
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

Tastes great!
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:37 PM   #6
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

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Becuase no limit is a much deeper thinking game and requires alot more skill then limit to be a winning player. limit is straight forward, you cant really make any plays, cant really bluff and cant really put anyone to major decisions, pretty much its bet,call, bet,call, to showdown. Its extremely boring and uncreative
this +1 pretty much what i was going to say
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Old 04-05-2011, 06:43 PM   #7
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

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Becuase no limit is a much deeper thinking game and requires alot more skill then limit to be a winning player. limit is straight forward, you cant really make any plays, cant really bluff and cant really put anyone to major decisions, pretty much its bet,call, bet,call, to showdown. Its extremely boring and uncreative
So this makes NL players better at other forms of poker?
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Old 04-05-2011, 07:21 PM   #8
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

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Becuase no limit is a much deeper thinking game and requires alot more skill then limit to be a winning player. limit is straight forward, you cant really make any plays, cant really bluff and cant really put anyone to major decisions, pretty much its bet,call, bet,call, to showdown. Its extremely boring and uncreative
since you have it all figured out please come to the bellagio and sit in the 40/80 game. and thank you for summarizing a game you don't understand in something short enough to post on twitter. enjoy grinding .5/.10c NL online.
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Old 04-05-2011, 07:26 PM   #9
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

I think most competent nlhe specialists know that it would be much more difficult for them to learn and transition to stud, draw, o8 etc. than it would be for a lhe specialist for obvious reasons.
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Old 04-05-2011, 07:54 PM   #10
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

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In the spirit of this thread:
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Why is it that people who play NL think they are so much better at all forms of poker than players who don't play much NL?
Because when you are ignorant (in an non-insulting definition), it is easier to believe you know everything you need to know. Different forms of poker emphasize different strengths. There's also the fact that most posters on 2+2 aren't at the highest levels of poker where such beliefs wither in the face of experience.
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:59 PM   #11
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

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Becuase no limit is a much deeper thinking game and requires alot more skill then limit to be a winning player. limit is straight forward, you cant really make any plays, cant really bluff and cant really put anyone to major decisions, pretty much its bet,call, bet,call, to showdown. Its extremely boring and uncreative
Sounds like you understand LHE very well.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:00 PM   #12
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

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Becuase no limit is a much deeper thinking game and requires alot more skill then limit to be a winning player. limit is straight forward, you cant really make any plays, cant really bluff and cant really put anyone to major decisions, pretty much its bet,call, bet,call, to showdown. Its extremely boring and uncreative
This is pretty much proof that people don't understand limit.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:03 PM   #13
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

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Sounds like you understand LHE very well.
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This is pretty much proof that people don't understand limit.
You are both invited to present a rational argument as to how a game which restricts your bet sizing can possibly be deeper than one which does not. More (greater number of) strategic options -> more strategic thinking - pretty simple intuition there.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:09 PM   #14
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

A better question is why don't people who start threads try spell check. Batter up.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:18 PM   #15
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Re: Why do NL players believe they are so much batter at all forms of poker than limit players?

I'm not going to try to argue that one game is "superior" to the other. They're just completely different games that require different mindsets and a different playbook. NLHE hands very rarely play out to a turn or river, whereas a limit player needs to be proficient at playing all 4 streets.

Are low-limit B&M LHE games boring as hell and best played by playing super-nitty and just waiting for strong hands? Yes. But that's no different than low-limit B&M NLHE games.

Lots of NLHE players speak very derisively about LHE, despite the fact that they're terrible at the game. The dude whose post I initially quoted probably fits that description.
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