ytf, I'm genuinely appreciative that you provide a counterpoint to the rush to judgment of dealers on here. However....

Really? The dealer shouldn't even exercise enough judgment to tell that the guy meant to table his hand and just flipped over one card? I know there are gray areas but the OP made it sound as though it wasn't really that close of a judgment call.

Its no win ..... I can;t tell you how many times I have paused to make sure that a player had a chance to speak up or grab back a card in this situation where I get yelled at by a player or a floor that that I was supposed to muck it immediately. If I muck it immediately I was supposed to use my judgment instead.......

In my perfect world, there is no action you should be taking as fast as humanly possible. Just like with sales pitches that try to connive you by telling you its a one time offer or otherwise prevent you from reflecting on the transaction, someone who yells at you for doing what it takes to make sure you're doing it correctly is probably trying to cheat. **** them.

Keep the money and tip the dealer a hundo.

Its easier than this, just spread the deck if the losing hand doesn't want to give up the pot. If everything is in order, ship it to the guy with the 5.

I actually have seen this scenario play out before, when the guy intentionally tossed the non playing card towards the muck, and thats how I would have ruled if I was the floor.

It was at the Hard Rock in a 2/5 game, a guy in a suit and a 20k watch sits down and fires hard. He is down 7k in short order and has a pocket full of 1k chips he is reloading with every few minutes.

Literally almost every single hand resulted in over a $1000 pot. A smaller pot plays out (prob $500) where the whale bets the end and gets called. The whale shows a 4 (giving him trips) and tosses his other card toward the muck. It may or may not have touched the muck.. An angle shooting nit shows his hand (top pair) and starts exclaiming "his card hit the muck". They called the floor, he sided with the nit, and the whale overhand threw his $200 river bet (all $5 chips, took two throws) straight into the nits chest (which was prob the best thing I have ever seen at the poker table) and quit the game, which immediately broke up.

The supervisor who was on break when this all occurred came up to me at the cage as I was cashing out and asked me what I thought about the ruling. I said I thought it was awful. I told him the card may not even have touched the muck, and even if it was fully engulfed by the muck, I would have just had the dealer count the deck down and if it was right, award him the pot with a warning to show both cards in the future.

To answer the question, I would have given him the pot, without any thought.

Part of me wants to say that if I really disliked the person I might have kept it, but honestly I don't think I would have. I'd have to see that person for years to come after doing that, or if it was a tourist, they would probably feel cheated which is never good. I wouldn't want that reputation for either me or the card room.

With that said, I've prob won three pots in the last year where I tabled my hand playing the board and the other person has mucked and then quickly realized it. Not one time has the person asked for half, or I offered. I'm not sure what my response would be if asked, but the answer would ultimately be no.

If it were an accident, then I prob would give him half the pot.

I'm never giving him the full pot.

Things go our way, some things don't.

Question was what would I do. If the casino allows the transfer of chips at the table I push the winner the pot. If not and I have the cash on me I pay the guy his money.

What's right and wrong is a question for the ages. You find a wallet on the street and the $500 cash lying next to it what do you do?

A. Leave the wallet and take the cash.
B. Contact the owner and offer the wallet back keeping the cash.
C. Keep it all because the guy made a mistake in loosing his wallet.
D. Give the guy his wallet and ask how much cash he had.

GS

His hand was never showed. He shouldn't be getting anything.

Sorry but he's got to table his hand. I recognize this is angle shooting but it's not like the other player threw his second card in the muck - the dealer mucked a face down card that was thrown at him. Hand is dead. QT gets pot.

1. He was trying to table his hand
2. The card was not thrown at the dealer.

The situation here is different.

If I were to muck my hand, then in my mind I had decided that I lost the pot and even if I later realized I did have the best hand I would not make claims to the pot.

Here the player is trying to "table" his hand, but is clumsy and accidentally
has a card flip over. I hate to say it but yes the dealer should have put more effort in protecting the game and when the floor was called they should have made a fair ruling. Everyone at that table new who the winner of the pot was.

If I was a player at the table I would have spoken up and if the ruling could be made fair I would have left the game. I may have even made a fuss to higher supervisors.

Sorry but I think this is a weak excuse. The dealer needs to pay more attention. There is an enormous difference between a player intentionally mucking his hand and a player trying to show his hand down and claim the pot (albeit over-excitedly). All that the dealer needs to do to distinguish the two is look and think for 0.5 seconds before he acts. If you're auto-mucking cards at showdown without thinking then you need to slow down. Going on auto-pilot should not be a legitimate excuse for making mistakes.

I am a strong proponent of "the best hand wins the pot" and unless the guy is a known angle-shooter or this looked in any way intentional (and it doesn't appear that either is the case) then give the guy the pot - one way or the other.

The 5 was enough to win the pot. Did he show two? No. However the 5 beats you.

the OP describes it as if the guy was attempting to show both cards, and I've both seen this happen and had it happen to me before so I have no trouble believing that.

that being said, anyone who doesn't give up the pot in this specific scenario has zero integrity and probably bankroll issues.

I gave up a pot once when the dealer made a mistake and felt good about it afterwards. Although it was nowhere near $1000.

2/4 limit game at the Taj in AC. Myself and a woman at the other end of the table show identical hands for a straight. But I thought I saw she had a flush too, although I wasn't sure since the dealer cleaned up the cards quickly. He split the pot. Then one player says she had a flush, and another agrees. The dealer speaks up and says she didn't. Since I thought I saw it before anyone said anything I hold up half of the pot (probably only $20) and ask her "Do you want this"? The girl just stares at me. I ask again, and again no reaction. Maybe she didn't speak English, because she didn't talk the rest of the night. So I gave her the half-pot.

Some guy says "I hope you get good karma for that". Even though I don't really believe in that, I later overplayed AQ on a A82 flop and sucked out on a guy with 88 when the turn and river were both Q's. Maybe the poker gods liked it.