Originally Posted by psandman
The problem with this theory (besides the low probabiility) is that it is based on the player knowing that the dealer is going to muck the irretrievably (which BTW based on the OP didn;t happen as we are told the acrd was identifiable)
Its easier than this, just spread the deck if the losing hand doesn't want to give up the pot. If everything is in order, ship it to the guy with the 5.
I actually have seen this scenario play out before, when the guy intentionally tossed the non playing card towards the muck, and thats how I would have ruled if I was the floor.
It was at the Hard Rock in a 2/5 game, a guy in a suit and a 20k watch sits down and fires hard. He is down 7k in short order and has a pocket full of 1k chips he is reloading with every few minutes.
Literally almost every single hand resulted in over a $1000 pot. A smaller pot plays out (prob $500) where the whale bets the end and gets called. The whale shows a 4 (giving him trips) and tosses his other card toward the muck. It may or may not have touched the muck.. An angle shooting nit shows his hand (top pair) and starts exclaiming "his card hit the muck". They called the floor, he sided with the nit, and the whale overhand threw his $200 river bet (all $5 chips, took two throws) straight into the nits chest (which was prob the best thing I have ever seen at the poker table) and quit the game, which immediately broke up.
The supervisor who was on break when this all occurred came up to me at the cage as I was cashing out and asked me what I thought about the ruling. I said I thought it was awful. I told him the card may not even have touched the muck, and even if it was fully engulfed by the muck, I would have just had the dealer count the deck down and if it was right, award him the pot with a warning to show both cards in the future.