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Originally Posted by chillrob
If you were playing online poker, would you concoct some sort of trojan that would let you attack someone else's computer and be able to see their hole cards, unless they had particularly good security programs and settings on their computer? What you do is the same thing.
LOL! That's not even remotely close to the same thing. If you want to use an online analogy, it would be a player typing into the text box what his hole cards were. I'm not doing anything to expose a player's hole cards. He's exposing them himself.
Your analogy would be more like marking the cards or setting up tiny secret cameras designed to look like the felt that electronically transmitted hole cards.
I'm trying to understand why anyone would consider it unethical, but your online analogy is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by callipygian
1. As chillrob pointed out, this is quite out of line with popularity. Not that that's the end of it, but you have to realize you're going to get a lot of **** - deserved or undeserved - for it.
2. Your position is more difficult to justify the more crowded the table is. It's not super hard to see someone's cards if you make it obvious you're trying. HU in seats 3 and 8 at an otherwise empty casino? EMFH. Seats 5 and 6 at a 10-handed table in a crowded, bustling room? Have a little respect.
3. Aside from the obvious "if you get caught people will hate you forever" downside, there's also the downside of how people react when they want to be absolutely certain nobody sees their hole cards - they build chip walls and put their cards to the right, wait until it's their turn to look, and put their head on the table to look at a tiny sliver of card. This super duper slows down the game and causes tons of confusion as their cards remain hidden from view when in a hand.
If you're a solidly winning player, it's generally to your net advantage to speed the game up as much as possible.
1. I've been playing poker for 15 years and I've literally never heard one person say this is unethical.
2. It's not hard to see someone's hole cards? LOL! You can't see them at even the most crowded tables if you simply use your hands to block the players' views. With 99 out of 100 players, you can't see their hole cards at the most crowded tables even if you try. You can't see them unless the player is doing something very wrong.
3. People don't hate you forever. They blame themselves. They know it's their responsibility. As far as things that slow the game down, people overprotecting their hole cards is about #25 on the list. I had one person notice that I was seeing his cards. His reaction? "God, I'm an idiot" followed by using his hands to block the cards instead of just holding them up.