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Old 06-23-2012, 10:41 AM   #16
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Re: Tournament ruling (2-7 nl single draw)

Been awhile, but years ago, the $20 Limit Lowball in NorCal had blinds $5 (button), $5, $10. It was $20 to open the pot. It was not a raise to $20. It was $20 to go.

Perhaps they treat the blinds in the tournament the same way. ie, 1200 to go, but the BB is half that.
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Old 06-23-2012, 01:26 PM   #17
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Re: Tournament ruling (2-7 nl single draw)

At the 300/600 level, it is a minimum of 1200 to open with this rule. 1300, 1400, 1500, ..., all-in are also legal opens. So I don't see how this isn't an open to 1500 (2.5x the bb).
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:09 PM   #18
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Re: Tournament ruling (2-7 nl single draw)

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This was event 30 at the wsop. The format of this tournament requires the first player in must raise to enter the pot, including the small blind. So, the one chip rule is modified for the player first in to a min raise.

Day two, 150 ante, 300-600 blinds. The first player in puts out three t500 chips for 1500 total. Another player at the table says that has to be 1200 since the player that raised said nothing. Floor gets called, says it's 1200 to go.

I just don't understand how the burden in this spot is on the player to specify an otherwise legal raise amount, regardless of the tendency in floor calls to go with the lesser amount.

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If it's NL (like your title says) then the 1500 is a standard 2.5x raise, right? Why would a player even question this and why would a TD overrule it to make it just a min-raise?
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:43 PM   #19
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Re: Tournament ruling (2-7 nl single draw)

I'm starting to think from the responses that many of you don't realize that the Oversized Chip Rule includes a clause about throwing in multiple chips. It's best explained this way: If you throw in a bunch of chips, and we can't tell if you're calling or raising, it's a call.

They announced at the start of the tourney that this rule was being modified for this event, replacing the word "call" in my sentence to "pre-flop min-raise".

Does this help?

EDIT TO EXPAND ON THIS: He put three 500's. Is he min-raising or full-raising? We can't tell, so he presumed to have min-raised here. Same thing if he puts out two 1000's, or 1000+500.

Now, if he puts out three 500s and a 100, we know he's not min-raising. Also, if he merely says the word "raise", then we'll accept what he puts out as his bet.
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Old 06-23-2012, 05:07 PM   #20
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Re: Tournament ruling (2-7 nl single draw)

My mistake. I should have googled it first for sure. Sounds like a call in the WSOP rulebook to me since he used all the same denomination.

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92. Oversized Chip Betting: Putting a single oversized chip or multiple same-denomination chips into the pot will be considered a call if the Participant
doesn’t announce a raise. For example, pre-flop, blinds are 200-400: A raises to 1,200 total (an 800 raise), B puts out two 1,000 chips without
declaring raise. This is just a call because removing one 1,000 chip leaves less than the amount needed to call the 1,200 bet. To make a raise with
a single oversized chip, a verbal declaration must be made before the chip hits the table surface. If a Participant says "Raise" as an oversized chip
is placed into the pot (with the word Raise being announced prior to the chip landing on the table surface), but doesn’t state the amount, the raise
will be the maximum allowable up to the denomination of that chip. After the flop, an initial bet of a single oversized chip without comment will
signify a bet equal to the size of the chip.
For this case, amount needed to open is 1200, and 3 equal denomination chips (the minimum number needed) were used to satisfy that action, and nothing else was verbalized. This becomes a min-open with rule 92, imo.
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Old 06-23-2012, 05:15 PM   #21
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Re: Tournament ruling (2-7 nl single draw)

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Sounds like a call in the WSOP rulebook to me since he used all the same denomination.
Same result if had tossed in a 1000 and a 500
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