Tournament: Late registration and Dead button rule: - Page 2 - Poker Card Room

UGotTheTouch · 07-25-2012, 12:50 AM

If you look at the TDA rules, it goes to explicitly say in Rule 8 the following:

8: Balancing Tables
A: In flop and mixed games when balancing tables, the player who will be big blind next will be moved to the worst position, including taking a single big blind when available, even if that means the seat will have the big blind twice.

I take from this that the unwritten rule (or, well, written in a different way) is that the intention is for a seat to only get the BB once per orbit, except in the case above. Thus ytf's story about Matt Savage wanting the button moved into the empty seat.

In your example, Seat 2 was never the BB, however Seat 3 was. New hand would've been Seat 1 button. If the new Seat 2 posts the BB, the button will end up staying in Seat 1 for a second hand, and I believe that's what they want to try and avoid.

So I'm guessing what they want is for Seat 2, as a new player, to sit out one hand (the BB in 4 seat), with the button then moving to the 3 seat (the busted player's seat), 4-5 being SB/BB, and Seat 2 being allowed to come in via posting or whatever method the room uses.

It's a quasi dead button/live button situation, but it's what I'm making of the specific wording in Rule 8 and ytf's Savage story.

Edit: Of course, Rule 28 states tournament play will use a dead button. Hm.

psandman · 07-25-2012, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by UGotTheTouch

If you look at the TDA rules, it goes to explicitly say in Rule 8 the following:

8: Balancing Tables
A: In flop and mixed games when balancing tables, the player who will be big blind next will be moved to the worst position, including taking a single big blind when available, even if that means the seat will have the big blind twice.

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In your example, Seat 2 was never the BB, however Seat 3 was. New hand would've been Seat 1 button. If the new Seat 2 posts the BB, the button will end up staying in Seat 1 for a second hand, and I believe that's what they want to try and avoid.

It seems to me that if you are trying to avoid the button staying in seat 1 to two hands you wouldn't have a rule that would require it.

I understand that rule doesn't apply here, but see no reason why you would conclude that the existence of that rule proves that they don;t want the button to remain in the same seat twice.

I think Matt Savage's instruction to YTF is as suggested by someone else just a dumbing down of the dead button rule. Enough people use the term wrong that eventually it starts to change its meaning.

**Matt Savage** · 07-25-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by psandman

A tournament in a room using TDA rules:

Tournament allows late entries:

Button is in the 10 seat
SB is in the 1 seat
Seat 2 is empty (player had busted out some time ago)
Seat 3 is the BB.

In this hand the player in seat 3 busts out.

(Naturally the next hand the button would move to seat 1. Seat 4 would be the BB and there would be no small blind and the next hand the button would not move as it is dead)

However as this hand ends a new player (late registrant) comes to the table with the seat card for seat 2.

How should the next hand be played? The TDA rules do not address seating of late registrants/alternates.

It seems to me that since we were about to have a hand with single BB there are 3ways this could be handled:

1) (my preference) New Player in seat 2 posts a BB. There is no Small Blind. the next hand the button doesn't move (This is exactly what would have happened if player 2 had not shown up except it would be in seat 4 not seat 2)

2) New Player in seat 2 posts the SB and seat 4 posts the BB

3) Seat 2 sits out two hands and waits for the button to pass.

My floor person had a fourth option which I think is based on a misunderstanding of the term dead button. (He told me this after the fact because I misunderstood his ruling to be #3 above)

4) Seat 2 sits out one hand in which Seat 4 posts the BB and there is no SB. Then the button moves into the empty seat 3 and seat 2 gets dealt in.
(You see this is based on the belief that dead button means button is in an empty seat.... when in fact it means the button doesn't move)

How do you think this situation should be handled?

My goal is to get the new player into the game ASAP and so in this case situation #1 applies and the new player takes a single big. This rule is often confused, maybe even more than any other tournament rule except for the "oversized chip."

Just FYI and for the record I do not make late registrants post or make up blinds. They start with a full stack and are seated by our staff as soon as a seat becomes available.