Pretty bad example. WSOP dealers are so bad because they're hiring tons at once for a 2 month gig so they need anyone who can breathe.

Played in a tournament yesterday at the borgata. $200+$30 and 3% goes to the dealers. They had 80 entries.

We got down to 4 and chopped, we all threw an extra $20 or $30 to the dealers, appropriate?

I wouldn't have tipped any extra

552$ goes to the dealers. How many total dealer downs (30 minute increments) did it take to play out the tourney? Divide the 552 by the number of downs and thats how you can arrive at the per down pay for the dealers.

Just a guess but i would say it was between 40 and 60. Most likely the higher end of the range. Say it was 55 then you would arrive at 10.03 per down or an hourly rate of 10.03 x 2 x.8 = 16.08 per hour + what ever the casino pays for hourly, maybe 5$ per hour so we arrive at 21.08 per hour.

The .8 in the equation in assuming a 30 minute break every 2 hours.
That's not terrible but would be below the industry average. And a good deal below what there table games peers are making.

Keep in mind the better the structure the more labor the less the downs pay.

Most of the dealers for the tournament were training or auditioning(I think) for jobs there.

In that case, definitely wouldn't tip over the 3%.

how much do poker dealers make (per hr) at the md casinos? (Live and horseshoe)

FYI, most rooms nowadays, will state 3% for staff. That's NOT 3% for dealers! They won't tell you 1/3rd of all tips go to floors, cage, chip runners, porters, etc. Now your downs are calculated to be worth about $6.50 each. Not a living wage in may locations.

I'm not saying how much, if any, you should tip. I'm just stating the realities.

Actually, AADanielAa is far more correct than you think. Why do you think the old crews of "travelling circuit dealers" all of which were actually very good (from early WPT years) NEVER deal the WSOP? In fact, it used to be they would hire on as extras in poker rooms like Bellagio, Wynn, Venetian during wsop because the money was so bad at wsop.

VERY FEW good dealers EVER return to deal wsop. Exception being the broke ones from degen activities or those that can't pass a drug test from smoking wacky weeds.

A few dealers EVERY SINGLE YEAR that are regular dealers in LV rooms will take on a 2nd job of dealing wsop each year. Hardly ANY of them last longer than 2 weeks because the money is so bad it isn't worth the loss of sleep.

WSOP does not have toke committee's keeping track of all the tip money. When you don't have a toke committee member present at payouts, or the payouts are not done at a table, or out in the open, one common result happens far more often than you think. THEFT of dealer toke money.

It's been known within the industry for a while, that a suit makes well over 3x the dealers money with their cut of the tokes. Let alone what they may discreetly pocket on their own.

I personally knew of a suit that basically stated (over 5 yrs ago) if you wanted to travel the wsop circuit and work the wsop as a suit, you had to pay ahem, I mean "TIP" rather large sums to keep the job.

Hell when I entered the business in the 80's we had to toke the cage 30% of our personal tokes each shift. Granted we made really good money back then. But extortion is nothing new to the industry.

Now they just blatantly steal.

THAT'S why you can't get good dealers to deal at wsop!

At showdown dealer starts to muck my winning hand, it's easily corrected and he pushes me the pot. I didn't tip on that hand because of it. It bothers me and next time I'll tip anyway for peace of mind.

Geez that's rather harsh... Lol. You must be a perfect human

I totally get that. Do what makes you happy.

I asked a dealer to chop a 2$ for "us", gives me change and looks strait ahead and drops the toke with no acknowledgment, let alone ty. Again I ask em to chop a $2 chip for us and again get totally snubbed. What a bitch huh? Would anybody continue to tip this person?

I would have said "Did I tip you?" And see if he feels like acknowledging it. I don't like it when don't say 'thank you' and I'm likely to stop tipping them if they can't give me that common courtesy, however, I actually do want to reward them for doing their job so I will give them the chance to wake the **** up and realize that they just have to acknowledge every tip they get regardless of the amount. So, yeah, I would give him/her another shot..

I wouldn't go as far as referring to the dealer as a "bitch," but I also wouldn't tip him/her dealer again. I think you were right to let it go the first time just in case it was an oversight/mistake, but after the second time no more tips is correct in my opinion.

Meh, I play so many off the wall games--I'm used to having dealers go to muck my hand! But, if you honestly thought it was something deliberate/personal then naturally I would have zero problem tipping this person ever again; but a simple mistake that was easily corrected? Eh, I get where you're at with this and I'm not going to pass judgment if that's what you felt was the correct decision at that moment, but keep in mind that even the best of the best will make a mistake from time to time.

It wasn't deliberate and I continued to tip on future hands. What I meant by it bothered me was that it bothered me I didn't tip cause of it and next time I'd tip anyway and not withhold based on a slight slack of performance. Even though in a vacuum I would say not tipping that hand is standard.

I'd have to be in a special mood to address it like that. It did bother me though. I don't need a big show of gratitude, a tap on the table, eye contact and a nod would be appreciated. The second time convinced me it was a blatant show towards being asked to chop but then I think there is no way they could this to everyone who chops? It was so extremely blatant though, there was no acknowledgment of me even existing except for a dollar tossed at my stack.

I always say thank you after I tip. Tip, Dealer "ty", me "ty"

What do you mean by "a special mood?" Just say it nicely: "Did I tip you?...cause I forgot."

What's wrong with that?

so a couple of dealers from another casino were at my table playing poker.
It got to the subject of the bad beat jackpot ($135k) being hit and that dealer ONLY got about $2k in tips.

one of them said the Industry standard tip is 2%?
(so the expectation was $2700 in combined tips from the 10 players at the table.)

interesting to know since if I was the losing hand and won $67.5k, I probably would have just tipped $600 because I had no clue what the tipping standard was.
ie: 1%

There is no standard.

"Industry standard" on something that happens once every 135000 hands?

No, it is what the guy would view as "the bare minimum" where he wouldn't badmouth the players for being "cheap".

lmfao at dealers that expect a big payday for dealing the bad beat.

I mean seriously, some guy that plays 1-2 is just supposed to fork over hundreds of dollars voluntarily? **** off.

I hear plenty of comments from dealers that 'Need the money' when they are looking to deal out the Bad Beat.

Is that 2% of gross or net? $50K gross win, taxed at 20% (conservatively) is now $40K net. 2% of that is $800 to dealer. But dealer is not happy since ... well, waitresses get 8-12% why not me? Hopefully 'some guy' playing 1/2 would have a better take on the 'event' and maybe tip more if he's a reg. Regular guy doesn't get to write off his poker 'expenses' before tax.

Make sure the player gets paid in cash or chips since it will look like a lot of money and then the tip will be bigger!! Can't tear off the corner of a check and give it to someone else. GL

I witnessed yesterday what was likely the most unprofessional behavior by a dealer. It's a short handed fixed limit game, and a player wins a hand and doesn't tip the dealer. Dealer rolls her eyes and makes an audible comment to one of her sympathizers at the table, something along the lines if "so sad, so rude, one of those days", blah blah. The player who didn't tip hears it but ignores it. Same player wins another pot shortly thereafter and doesn't tip again. Dealer makes more overt and direct comments. A different player wins a pot and tips her. She smacks the chip loudly against the shuffle machine, says something like "for the dealer, we work on tips, I had two days off, business is slow", and so on. Then she calls the floor and tries to convince him to charge us full time. Tells him that the table isn't "taking care" of her. Now the player who won the first few pots and didn't tip speaks up and tells her to mention to the floor how she tried to deal two hands without shuffling the deck. At this point the argument is getting louder and a bunch of flood people and shift managers are observing but not saying anything.

I've witnessed almost everything at the poker table, including abominable dealing and unspeakable remarks by dealers, but this is by far the most shocking behavior I have ever seen by a dealer. Open solicitation and bitching about tips in front of everyone. It's probably against the casino's rules, and certainly isn't what customers want to hear. Her tirade had the opposite effect she was hoping for. I most certainly will never tip her again.