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Old 04-15-2013, 10:05 PM   #3406
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Now, if you're even thinking about considering that I'm wrong and way off base, you have to then admit that the dealer saying "Thanks for playing with us" may have genuinely meant it, because without players coming in and patronizing the place of business, his job does not exist. He may be genuinely thankful for every person that comes into that room and keeps the place in business.
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As for the judging, to each their own, but would you try to rationalize that everyone should tip the way you do?
I absolutely do not think everyone should tip like me. I believe in tipping diversity, that anyone who tips and anyway that they tip is justifiable, ie it's their choice. I find it off putting for those who receive tips to be unaccepting of this and and instead conclude there's right and wrong ways of tipping.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:17 PM   #3407
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in general dealers will appear to be more "professional and nonjudgmental" if you start out being a good tipper as opposed to starting out being a douchebag who stiffs because they are stuck.
On the contrary. When I started out playing poker, for the first six months or so, I was an above average tipper. Then for years I was an average tipper. Dealers as a whole burned that bridge over time and now I have become a below average tipper.


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4. inadequate or below standard; not satisfactory for use: bad heating; Living conditions in some areas are very bad.
Well in terms of poker tipping, when the benchmark is set where some ITT see it many tips are bad by default.
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:22 PM   #3408
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This is hilarious. In order not to appear to be a cheap bastard in front of your gf or friends, you tip 15%, apparently thinking that is a good tip and worthy of some sort of badge of honor. Newsflash: 15% was a good tip in 1983, not 2013.

This is what I meant by setting myself up for judgment if I answered questions about other tipping aspects. I do think 15% is a good tip, and I find it reassuring that 15% was a good tip in 1983 (and the only difference from then and now is probably 'I want more'). I do this partially because more time is taken and more effort is required compared to when I tip less dining alone. And I do not deny that my tips in these spots are in part to avoid a "cheap bastard" label, though not for my gf or friends' sake as they already know that I've been adapting to 'cheap' tipping.


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So when you check into a hotel, do you tell the front desk that you don't want housekeeping service because you can make your own bed and clean the room yourself? Or, as I'm sure is actually the case, do you use the service and just not bother to leave a tip?
If you're sure this is the case then why bother to ask.
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Old 04-16-2013, 06:31 AM   #3409
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And if it helps any, as if I just didn't understand how it is for those who work in tipping professions. My girlfriend is a cocktail waitress and former blackjack dealer. She is grateful for the tips she receives, understands tip variance, and does not feel the need to overtip just because she herself works for tips. She's aware of the way I tip and admires my sense while she's also aware that her bigger tips come from those lacking sense. Kind of reminds me of this reference... She does this when somebody overtips her as if it will increase their chances of sleeping with her.
I'm the opposite of your girlfriend. I actually DO feel the need to overtip when I go out to eat, gamble, and go to the bar, because I feel sorry for service workers like her who have to put up with **** people all day long, who in many cases tip the same way you do. Which isn't enough. I guarantee you if she had a choice, she'd take the overtipping tourists over the stiffs any day.
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Old 04-16-2013, 07:52 AM   #3410
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

You probably covered it already, and I'm too lazy to look back to read it, but LK, how did dealers "burn a bridge with you over time" - I'm curious.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:37 AM   #3411
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You probably covered it already, and I'm too lazy to look back to read it, but LK, how did dealers "burn a bridge with you over time" - I'm curious.
"This one time, I had a straight at showdown and the dealer misread it and started pushing the pot to the other player who had a set. The pot made it about three inches toward the other player and I was like "Woah, I have a straight!" He then re-routed the pot to me and said "Whoops, sorry about that!" That was the last time that unprofessional **** got a tip from me, let me tell you."



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I'm genuinely curious as to what gets someone on the DNT (Do Not Tip) list, though.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:52 AM   #3412
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I'm genuinely curious as to what gets someone on the DNT (Do Not Tip) list, though.
For me, it's exactly one dealer long. Guy screwed up three times during his down (two misdeals, one floor ruling situation) and then started becoming aggressive toward me when I didn't tip him on the pot he pushed me after all those screw-ups. When I see him coming, I take a break rather than suffer through his dealing. And yes, I notified a shift manager about the problem.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:02 PM   #3413
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For me, it's exactly one dealer long. Guy screwed up three times during his down (two misdeals, one floor ruling situation) and then started becoming aggressive toward me when I didn't tip him on the pot he pushed me after all those screw-ups. When I see him coming, I take a break rather than suffer through his dealing. And yes, I notified a shift manager about the problem.
See, that's very understandable. I would be hard pressed to tip a waiter if he was giving me attitude about sending food back that wasn't cooked properly.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:43 PM   #3414
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You probably covered it already, and I'm too lazy to look back to read it, but LK, how did dealers "burn a bridge with you over time" - I'm curious.
Well players are not the only ones who 'tap the glass'.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:59 PM   #3415
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"This one time, I had a straight at showdown and the dealer misread it and started pushing the pot to the other player who had a set. The pot made it about three inches toward the other player and I was like "Woah, I have a straight!" He then re-routed the pot to me and said "Whoops, sorry about that!" That was the last time that unprofessional **** got a tip from me, let me tell you."



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I'm genuinely curious as to what gets someone on the DNT (Do Not Tip) list, though.
^Here's an example of a dealer's glass tapping.

The story above is made up, but based on real events. A dealer makes a sarcastic story as to make a player look bad for being a miserable nitpicker. It's not the dealing mistakes that I don't tip for in these spots, it's the poor attitude.

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Old 04-17-2013, 12:37 AM   #3416
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"This one time, I had a straight at showdown and the dealer misread it and started pushing the pot to the other player who had a set. The pot made it about three inches toward the other player and I was like "Woah, I have a straight!" He then re-routed the pot to me and said "Whoops, sorry about that!" That was the last time that unprofessional **** got a tip from me, let me tell you."



(I made that up)


I'm genuinely curious as to what gets someone on the DNT (Do Not Tip) list, though.
So how nit picky are some of you. If a dealer makes a mistake ( accidentally flips a card up on a pitch, something like that or story above) but professionally apologizes do you put him on the do not tip list. Just curious what puts a dealer in that list and is he on the list forever?
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:04 AM   #3417
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Just curious what puts a dealer in that list and is he on the list forever?
Lies to the Floor about a player or the action in order to "get" someone (or to kiss up to someone).

Continuously short pitches the same player (or shoves pots half way or almost into their laps) (unless, of course the player is one of those who intentionally makes the dealer reach for his mucked cards and/or bets)

Makes snide comments about a player or the table in general (usually about tipping) (As he is being pushed out, one dealer loudly told his replacement "Two real beauties in seats 3 and 7").

Makes comments like "It's only $2" when someone wants the pot/rake to be right. In general, a dealer who thinks the only important money on the table are the tips he gets.

Makes the same mistakes, down after down. Shift after shift.

Not that many that are that bad. And some of them seem to finally "get it" (or are warned by management) and begin to act professionally and I start to tip them again.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:10 AM   #3418
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So how nit picky are some of you. If a dealer makes a mistake ( accidentally flips a card up on a pitch, something like that or story above) but professionally apologizes do you put him on the do not tip list. Just curious what puts a dealer in that list and is he on the list forever?
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When it comes to tipping, I think blaming lack of tips on nitpicking players is a myth created by dealers.

A mistake and a dealer's genuine apology is fine. Tips continue as ordinary. (Bridge maintained)

A mistake and a dealer on the defensive is not fine. It's not uncommon for the dealer to put the reason for a non-tip on the player's procedural nitpicking and fail to see their own bad attitude as the real reason. From there dealer makes assumption that player is miserable nitpicking dealer hater and figures he wouldn't be getting tips anyway so he shuns him. Tips are withheld. (Bridge burned or dealer's version of tapping the glass)

I do not have a permanent do not tip list. The opportunity is always there to win me over and some dealers do. Sadly, some dealers continue to choose the path to shun players.

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Old 04-17-2013, 10:20 AM   #3419
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The only DNT list I ever get on is by players that "never win" while I'm dealing.

I wish more people were like you and actually cared about how good of a job I was doing instead of just whether or not they are winning
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:39 PM   #3420
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Well players are not the only ones who 'tap the glass'.
This is obviously a purposely non-specific answer. And, even if one or two or three dealers did make fun of some fish a handful of times, doesn't seem like a reason to cut down on tipping anyway.
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