Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

[QuadsOverQuads]

Originally Posted by NYCNative

Making a +EV decision in poker doesn't mean you win, it means you made the best decision with the most expected value. The same would be true for a dealer who takes a down off in this scenario.

Exactly.

I would also add another factor into the calculation, and it's a BIG one:

"Do I want to make my room a more attractive destination for this particular subset of players?"

For the habitual stiffs and freeloaders, no, I do not. I want them to find somewhere else to play, to go ruin the games at someone else's room rather than mine.


q/q

[AngusThermopyle]

Has you plan worked?

[Lester Kluke]

Originally Posted by QuadsOverQuads

Exactly.

I would also add another factor into the calculation, and it's a BIG one:

"Do I want to make my room a more attractive destination for this particular subset of players?"

For the habitual stiffs and freeloaders, no, I do not. I want them to find somewhere else to play, to go ruin the games at someone else's room rather than mine.


q/q

That is one factor that never occurred to me. Straightforward and no BS. How refreshing. Much respect.

Except for perhaps, the exactly part, in that it's far from exactly the others intended message.

[z4reio]

Originally Posted by QuadsOverQuads

For the habitual stiffs and freeloaders, no, I do not. I want them to find somewhere else to play, to go ruin the games at someone else's room rather than mine.


q/q

The habitual stiffs and freeloaders are the ones giving you $4/hr.

If no one tipped, your employers would be forced to pay you a fair wage.

Yes, I'm fine with them raising the rake to do this.

[The Palimax]

Originally Posted by QuadsOverQuads

"Do I want to make my room a more attractive destination for this particular subset of players?"

Or, you know, for ANY players.

[FishFry1984]

Originally Posted by z4reio

The habitual stiffs and freeloaders are the ones giving you $4/hr.

If no one tipped, your employers would be forced to pay you a fair wage.

Yes, I'm fine with them raising the rake to do this.

Let's go Australian way. 10% uncapped!

[z4reio]

Originally Posted by FishFry1984

Let's go Australian way. 10% uncapped!

LOL at going to extremes. 10% uncapped...? So if I win a $7000 pot they rake $700?

No, of course not. Just another dealer with scare tactics. It's capped, $12 if I recall correctly, which is high, but no tokes and no taxes on winnings.

[FishFry1984]

Originally Posted by z4reio

LOL at going to extremes. 10% uncapped...? So if I win a $7000 pot they rake $700?

No, of course not. Just another dealer with scare tactics. It's capped, $12 if I recall correctly, which is high, but no tokes and no taxes on winnings.

Nah, heard it goes as high as 35usd

[pokereyedoc]

Originally Posted by z4reio

The habitual stiffs and freeloaders are the ones giving you $4/hr.

If no one tipped, your employers would be forced to pay you a fair wage.

Yes, I'm fine with them raising the rake to do this.

So, you'd rather pay $7 or $8 more in rake per hand (which you are paying part of on every pot you put $$ into) to avoid toking $1 or $2 (which you're only paying on pots you WIN)? Sounds -EV to me.

I'm not a dealer, but it seems to me if everyone toked $1 per pot, and occasionally $2 or $3 on larger pots, everyone would be happy. I played in Puerto Rico during an extended trip there recently, with a rake cap at $12, and no tokes. The rake was unbeatable and woudl affect anyones win rate more than a $1 or $2 toke per pot won. It's not the dealers fault the casino only pays then $5/hr. One should not punish the dealers for this fact.

[bolt2112]

Originally Posted by pokereyedoc

I'm not a dealer, but it seems to me if everyone toked $1 per pot, and occasionally $2 or $3 on larger pots, everyone would be happy.

I am a dealer, and I'd be happy with this. However, I'm also an observant human being so know that there is no possible system that could ever exist that would make everyone happy.

I will say that in my own experience, I get a $1 tip on just about every pot I deal and occasionally I get a bigger tip and I'm happy with my choice to become a dealer.

[UbinTook]

i deal to a guy who played in Spain for quite a while , the drop as i recall it was 10% up to $25.

[FishFry1984]

But even with a $25 rake some would rather not tip. And at whoever said it earlier some places overseas charge half hour time plus rake from each pot. We've got it good here in the US rake wise!

[AngusThermopyle]

1. The US system is not going to change. Period.

2. To say that if some players stop tipping then the casinos will be forced to pay a decent wage and jack up the rake is ridiculous. Nice try at scare tactics, but it doesn't fly.

[FishFry1984]

Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

1. The US system is not going to change. Period.

2. To say that if some players stop tipping then the casinos will be forced to pay a decent wage and jack up the rake is ridiculous. Nice try at scare tactics, but it doesn't fly.

No one said the system was going to change.

[NYCNative]

I also don't see "scare tactics." Pointing out the rake in places where tipping is not customary and built into the compensation of dealers is not meant to "scare" anyone, I don't think. It does point out exactly what the players who do wish we had a different system would deal with - and could still deal with if they care to move to places where you don't tip.

As you said, the system isn't going to change. This also offers alternatives to those who don't think it is fair - they have many places they can move with a system in place that does not encourage tipping. If someone really wants to protest a system they don't believe in, that makes the most sense.