Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
This is horrible. Why would you want to remove an avenue for the terrible, spewy, recreational donk player to get into the game? Casinos couldn't operate a poker room if they eliminated low stakes cash games and small tournaments.
I don't and I know.
What I'm saying is that those games are a bad value. The customers want them, don't know better, and it makes the casinos money (though they seem to say it doesn't). Those players should play home games. I don't see what the casino offers a person playing for a few bucks. Added security? I don't think sophisticated thieves are making a habit of busting up a game for maybe a thousand bucks or so. Attracting weak competition to a common location? It's low stakes poker everybody plays and the casino brings in no additional value (if they do it nowhere near compensates for them being 10X the player anybody else is).
Now higher stakes some of those things come into play. Having (something resembling) real security and legitimacy and bringing in gambling dollars means something in those games. It's not that it can't be done in other venues but it has a real value.
Also, I meant higher stakes games deserve higher tokes/rake/whatever than lower games (again, because there's actual value there). That doesn't mean they deserve higher tokes/rake/whatever than what low stakes games take. Those games just take way too much whereas high stakes games take a little too much. If somebody pays $100 for hamburger and I pay $100 for a decent steak it doesn't mean I'm underpaying. That's what the higher stakes expectations are like. Some drunk tourists throws $20 at a dealer who has a nice smile on a $200 pot and they for some reason think that should translate. It's insane.
It's the same thing in table games. I play for fun and tip. That said, I basically don't make any long shot bets anymore. It's not worth it. Not only do you donate but you flip somebody 5 bucks for 40 seconds work and they roll their eyes at you. I'm an easy player to deal to in those games. I never complain, never take shots, play fast/know all the rules, don't get sloppy...just because my chips are a different color the guy pitching those cards should get rich? The guy running the joint could have his 12 year old pitch the cards to me (and he couldn't do that at the $5 table) why should I pay a premium? Same thing in poker.
It is what it is though not worth arguing. I wouldn't tip a huge amount on a jackpot if I played in a game that had one and I wouldn't tip much at all on a tourney score (and the culture is also one of the reasons I don't play many tourneys). I tip a lot in the cash games but am sure I'm called cheap because I don't tip any more for a huge pot than a medium one. I think one year I'm just going to count up all the (reasonable but considered cheap) tips I'd make and hand some random dealer a huge check at the end of the year. Instead of all of them calling me cheap and me losing a ton of money all but one will call me cheap, one will love me, and I'll lose a lot of money. Seems like a better deal.