Live 1/2 NL

#1 raises pre UTG, couple callers,

OTF #1 bets CO calls

OTT #1 Bets again (leaving only ~%20 of his stack)

CO says " Raise!" everybody hears it. Brings out a bunch of chips and starts stacking them, he then realizes that his raise size only leaves him with like $35 bucks or something in a $100 pot, so " at the same time he takes his hands off his chips and says " I might as well go All-IN and grabs the rest of his chips.

#1 throws a fit.......says string bet! #2 tells him to STFU not a string bet because he said "raise"

Dealer says ok string bet, UTG calls leaving him like $25 and folds the river after CO dumps the rest of his chips on the river.

table could not agree on what the right call was after the hand and the 2 argued for 10 minutes about it.

This will depend entirely on the rules of the room. It will also depend on the interpretation of the dealer and the perspective of the floor. There is no unifying poker rule on this one.

The book of "stop acting like children" rules this as "who gives a crap".

from your description it sounds like CO was cutting his chips in a location where it would be considered the bet as soon as he let go. does your room use a betting line, and if so, what are the specific rules regarding it? if the betting line is used and CO was cutting chips across the line, I would think going back to get more chips would not be allowed.

side note opinion: it's tilting that any room allows anyone to cut chips across a line (and/or in front of their cards). i'm sure others' opinions will vary.

Here is my understanding of the correct ruling in most rooms, but YMMV.

The way I read the OP was he said "raise", put out some chips, and then went back to his stack to get some more. If those facts are wrong, then please correct me.

If he puts out enough chips for a call, or less, then he can still go back to his stack and bring out any amount for the raise. He said raise, he must raise, and since he hasn't put out any chips yet towards that raise, all of his options are open as to the total amount.

If he put out more than enough chips for a call, but an amount equal to or less than a min-raise, he must make exactly a min-raise.

If he put out more than a min-raise, his raise is the amount he put out in the first move, and he can't go back to his stack to get more.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

Leave it to a world champ to get it right. Well said, FossilMan!

Raymer is right, pfapfap is more right and joe is way off base but you're all missing the real point of the OP.

There are people out there who will call off 90% of their chips and fold to a river bet. Poker's not dead.

I think if he announced raised and brought out chips, if he said All-in while cutting the chips I think it would be an All-in. If he put out more than a call, went back to his stack then said all-in. It would be however many chips he initially put out as long as it is at least a min raise.

I mainly play where you can bring as many chips as you want out to cut and bring the chips back no problem.

THIS.

Yes, technically it is a string raise as told in the OP.

Even if it went down like this:

"Raise!" *pushes in some chips over the line, hand still on those chips "all in!" *lets go of chips to reach back for the last chips.

Some rooms might still be rule it not all in, but a raise to the amount of chips he put in, or a min raise if there weren't enough chips in the pot after the first motion.

More info:

Yes, he originally brought out more than a min raise like 3X UTG's bet.

There are no bet lines on the felt.

So sounds like this IS a string bet.

Thanks for the pro help

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What is the source of that quote?

Robert's Rules.

come on now RR ..... be fair ..... you know that rule is not common in todays no limit games. It might be the better rule ...... but if I walk into a random poker room chances are that is not the rule.

I know. I think the interesting part is if they have a rule book, it most likely has that rule in it. I don't know what percentage of rooms use that rule.