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Old 04-07-2008, 12:17 PM   #151
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True, but more then likely, your just going to severely get the **** beat out of you with the cane, your not going to die from it like you could with a knive or gun.
How do you know? If someone is angry enough to pound you with your own cane, knowing you're not at 100% to begin with, how can you possibly know he won't get frustrated with the lack of damage and find something more satisfying to hurt you with?

I can't believe anyone claiming the stabber over-reacted.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:25 PM   #152
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There are a lot of douchebag ***** in this thread that have now come out of the woodwork.

They are the type who would never dare look a black man in the eye in real life, let alone actually take the fight up to a black man.. so much for the bravado then to say oh this black dude deserved to get sliced.
Thank you Reverend Sharpton.

Clearly this was a case of the Atlantic City KKK putting a hit out on an "uppity" African-American.

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Old 04-07-2008, 12:53 PM   #153
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Thank you Reverend Sharpton.

Clearly this was a case of the Atlantic City KKK putting a hit out on an "uppity" African-American.

Nope but you sound like an Internet KKK wannabe though, most likely very sensitive to anyone pointing out just that.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:03 PM   #154
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1. If the reports are accurate, and the "victim" came outside to confront him and then started beating him with his own cane, there is no way this guy should be charged and will not be convicted. Even if NJ has a retreat rule, how can a disabled guy retreat when he is being beaten with his own cane? No jury in the world will convict him, and if they do it would be overturned by a higher court.

2. As to race, yes it matters a lot -- unfortunately. In most jurisdictions the fact that the white guy here was defending himself against a black man would mean pretty much instant acquittal or not even charged. But remember the jury pool in AC is probably like 80% black, so the effect could be different. Still, I think most African Americans are anti-police in general, not anti-white. They would surely acquit this guy.
An AC jury would convict him...
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:06 PM   #155
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Did they let him rack out and check out?

I hate to get my comp points zeroed out after a grueling session...
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:07 PM   #156
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Nope but you sound like an Internet KKK wannabe though, most likely very sensitive to anyone pointing out just that.
Whatever.

As the graphic I posted earlier hints, everybody here seems to be jumping to conclusions. And now we get political sub-threads going.

Whatever.

You seriously thing that if OP had not used color, but instead had used 'Mike' and 'George', everybody would be clamoring for the guy who (allegedly) was followed out of the casino and was (allegedly) being beaten with his own cane, to be convicted of murder?

Whatever.

The whole thing was stupid and senseless. It should serve as a warning to everybody who plays live that playing "Mr Macho" can have extreme consequences. One in jail. One in the morgue.

A seat in a poker game is not worth it.

But let's talk concealed carry licenses and racism instead.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:16 PM   #157
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Whatever.

As the graphic I posted earlier hints, everybody here seems to be jumping to conclusions. And now we get political sub-threads going.

Whatever.

You seriously thing that if OP had not used color, but instead had used 'Mike' and 'George', everybody would be clamoring for the guy who (allegedly) was followed out of the casino and was (allegedly) being beaten with his own cane, to be convicted of murder?

Whatever.

The whole thing was stupid and senseless. It should serve as a warning to everybody who plays live that playing "Mr Macho" can have extreme consequences. One in jail. One in the morgue.

A seat in a poker game is not worth it.

But let's talk concealed carry licenses and racism instead.

Funny, you're the one bringing out the race and graphic and KKK and putting words in my mouth, but when called on it you get all sensitive? I wasn't even talking to you to begin with.

And race is absolutely a factor.. otherwise why are millions of black men on small charges(let's say robbing a store for cigarettes) day after day receive harsher sentences in this country than white men on the same charge? You have a problem with jumping to conclusions, then how about let's not jump to conclusion that this white man was DEFENDING himself? It's his word against.. wait... the word of the dead man. The dead man was not carrying weapons either, armed to the teeth coming to the casino. The dead man also didn't stab the white guy in the neck intending death.

If the white guy had been black, and carrying a knife and a gun and using the knife to stab someone in the neck, you'd all be calling the guy a THUG, a GANGSTA, someone who should be put on the chair.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:18 PM   #158
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Yeah, but what about his points? did they put him in the ambulance without clocking him out?

I hate those bastards who run the Taj. They always try to screw you out of your time...
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:21 PM   #159
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IMO, it's more than time to lock this baby up and put it away. No real witnesses, therefor no real content.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:23 PM   #160
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I want at least $10,000,000 to come out of Donald Trump's pocket to the victim's family for failing to provide adequate security at this crap casino.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:26 PM   #161
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I want at least $10,000,000 to come out of Donald Trump's pocket to the victim's family for failing to provide adequate security at this crap casino.
Does Trump even have any equity in the Taj anymore? I had thought his name was mostly just for marketing purposes after his bankruptcy.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:42 PM   #162
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Does Trump even have any equity in the Taj anymore? I had thought his name was mostly just for marketing purposes after his bankruptcy.


Nope, Trump was fired...
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:44 PM   #163
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IMO, it's more than time to lock this baby up and put it away. No real witnesses, therefor no real content.
the OP should not have identified race in the OP. If we had the chance to talk about Man#1 and Man#2 based on each's actions without knowing what their race was, we would have had a better discussion.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:55 PM   #164
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Regardless of the exact facts, this was a bad thing. Somebody got killed because of an argument in the poker room.

I hold the Taj partly responsible for this, I have played there in the past and about 6 month ago, basically promised myself I would never play there again. Yes there is money to be made, the games can be really soft...but the negatives have just gotten to much for me to bear anymore.

There are constant yelling arguments and verbal abuse;
They continue to serve obviously intoxicated players which leads to even more verbal garbage:
The dealers rarely do anything, even calling the floor, when players start going after each other (verbally);
Even when the floor is called or comes over, they do not act very authoritatively, seeming to only want to placate the loudest, most obnoxious regular;
There is very little security presence (I do not know about the area around the higher level games) at the far end of the poker room, the tournament area or right out those doors where people go to smoke;
While I have not experienced it, I have heard the the bathrooms past the poker room have become the somewhat dangerous interms of people getting ripped off...; and finally
I also find the room very dirty and is badly in need of refurbishment.

The seeds for this tragedy were sown a long time ago, if the Taj put more emphasis on monitoring their poker room and stepping in when yelling matches erupt and then act strenuously when they do intercede, perhaps this fight might not have gotten out of hand. At a minimum, they could have called security to at least put a presence in the room, or they could have kicked both players out for extreme behavior, then had one player leave before the other as to prevent further conflict (or at least called security to handle it).

Perhaps these two men would have found each other anyway and still got into the fight that led to one's death, but the Taj needs to take a long hard look at the way they are running that poker room and get things under control.

In 5 years, it has gone from one of the great rooms to a total and complete pit!!

Sorry this is so long, I just really burns my A$$ that something like this had to happen.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:59 PM   #165
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the OP should not have identified race in the OP. If we had the chance to talk about Man#1 and Man#2 based on each's actions without knowing what their race was, we would have had a better discussion.
I kinda like black vs. white; that's who was involved right?

I hate when they identify the fighters as the blue trunks versus the red trunks during a boxing match...
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