Hello all, thanks in advance for your time.

At the casino where I work, the idea has been proposed to allow people that bust out of our daily and nightly tournaments to buy back in (re-entry) if they wish. This is not a rebuy, it is a full fledged get back in line, pay a new buy-in and get a new seat with a new chip stack.

Most of us don't see any problem with this. Any advice for us?

Thanks again.

This isn't unusual at all (Well, the part about getting a new seat is), lots of places run re-entries.

The regulars should enjoy that rule as poor players will use a re-entry to justify a bad decision ("I might as well just shove here since I can re-enter if I bust"). And poor players will enjoy that rule for the same reason. It's win-win

Thank you for the response. That's what we were thinking as well. No matter how many ways we looked at it, we couldn't see an area where it could be exploited.

The new seat concept is fairly common as well. They used to offer the same deal at the daily $40 at the Sahara years ago. In fact they'd try to send you to an entirely different table if at all possible in this instance. There are a couple of rooms in South Fla (where I live) that do the same thing. I've even seen it offered online on a few different sites.

Small re entry tournaments tend to not get many re entries, I think they are a net positive, but not substantially so

The casino that I frequent has regular re entry tournaments but there are a couple of terns and conditions that go along with it for various reasons:

- Only 1 re entry allowed per level for the first 3 levels (To distance this from a re buy)

- You must wait until the start of the next level to re enter (To make people think about their actions and not just shove wildly thinking that they can instantly get back in)

- You will be seated at a different table than before (To distance this from a re buy)

- If there is a waiting list then new players will get the priority

I don't think any of the first three reasons make that much sense if you're willing to allow re-entries in the first place. Allowing as many re-entries as possible vs. 1 per level doesn't make a difference. I'm also not sure what's wrong with people just shoving wildly if they don't value money, it makes it better for the better players.

Its mixed.

Some players will obviously reenter and this will make it appear that there are more entries and a bigger prize pool. And this may be the case. But one thing I have heard many times from many people is that they don't like rebuys (and they conisder this rentry a rebuy) because they feel that once they knock someone out that should be the end of them many players will complain that as the end of the reentry period comes along players start playing wildly.


One other thing. You will run into a player who decides he wants to renter even though he still has some chips. Prepare for the whining and arguing when you tell him "no."

A lot of people detest re buys. They think that people with more money than sense will turn it into a game of bingo rather than poker which they came here to play. I can see their point and limiting the re entries like this is a compromise between getting people to play who want to be able to fire more than one bullet and getting people who want to play a freeze out.

I see a lot of people get short and then shoves blind hand after hand until he busts or makes a big stack. More often than not he makes a big stack.

The re-entry tourneys I've played in are fairly straightforward. You get a re-entry ticket from the dealer when you bust out. If you don't have one, they won't let you buy back in (assuming their system knows you've bought in once already).

Or, some casinos will allow you to forfeit your remaining chips and re-enter. Usually this would happen at a break when the re-entry period ends. So if shove your tiny stack with 7-2 and accidentally double up to a slightly less tiny stack, you can still re-enter.

Either way, it doesn't seem like there would be any legitimately arguable situations.

Sounds like a good strategy.

Kinda hadda love the Sahara dailies. It was always entertaining when someone with a small stack would try to lose it on the last hand or two before the first break when the re-rentry period ended, but they'd keep winning the blinds. Guy loses with AA vs JJ with 2 minutes to go and has 4BB, so he blind shoves UTG+1 and gets no callers. He does it on the next hand UTG, and gets no callers. And time expires. He's just tried his hardest to lose 4BB then 5.5BB and nobody would take it from him and he's stuck having to wait through the break and return on the BB with 3BB.

Or on the very last hand before break someone loses all but one chip. Nope--can't re-enter, sir. So sorry. This resulted in tables often having small dead stacks after the break--people wouldn't stick around to play their 1BB to 3BB stacks.

And like Gutshotjeff I've seen a rule in some other re-entry tournament where players were allowed to forfeit their chips and re-enter if they chose to after the last hand before the re-entry period expires. That seems ok. Not perfect, but ok.

A room just has to decide who is more valuable, the people who want to play a true freezeout or those who want to play essentially a rebuy tournament. I think as long as the room is clear about what can happen to the players, there isn't a problem. Personally, I think forcing people to move is semi-dumb because it is some sort of marketing person's idea of hiding that people are buying back into the game. Be honest and there won't be problems.

I play in a social game where it is tournament style. We've ended having a time limit on rebuys. If you want to rebuy with an effective stack of 3BB, have at it. The only limit is that you have to play the next hand if you continue. It stopped all the moaning about not being about bust out in time.

can you re enter when you just lost HU?

Sure. However, you're odds aren't good when you're AI blind next hand.