Question about etiquette at showdown - Page 2 - Poker Card Room

cltrich · 02-07-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meal

The wording of the rules is that if you think you have the best hand you should show.

Can you (or someone else) post or link this rule? I'm having a difficult time believing it.

The Meal · 02-07-2012, 09:18 PM

Sure.

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Originally Posted by RRoPv11

8. If everyone checks (or is all-in) on the final betting round, the player who acted first is the first to show the hand. If there is wagering on the final betting round, the last player to take aggressive action by a bet or raise is the first to show the hand. In order to speed up the game, a player holding a probable winner is encouraged to show the hand without delay. If there are one or more side pots (because someone is all-in), players are asked to aid in determining the pot winner by not showing their cards until a pot they are in is being settled. A player may opt to throw his hand away after all the betting for the deal is over, rather than compete to win the pot. However, the other players do not lose the right to request the hand be shown if he does so.

cltrich · 02-07-2012, 09:22 PM

Thanks. I guess I was wrong.

pfapfap · 02-07-2012, 09:43 PM

The rules make a lot more sense if you read them not as a procedure for how to run the game, but rather as an anthropology report of how the game is played.

Donk Dunc · 02-07-2012, 10:46 PM

Arrrgghhhh, just table your ****ing hand.

Value of maintaining a friendly table image >>>>>> winning a staredown contest for marginal hand information

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**venice10** · 02-08-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

The rules make a lot more sense if you read them not as a procedure for how to run the game, but rather as an anthropology report of how the game is played.

In other words, it also helps to understand that Robert's rules of poker aren't what Bob Ciaffone thinks the rules should be, but rather what his understanding of what the majority of poker rooms have as rules for situations.

Personally, I don't care for the most part what the villain had when he concedes the pot. Most of the time, I know within the range I assign the villain anyway. However, if a room requires showing a hand, I show it proud, even if it is a 7 high bluff. It doesn't matter what I show. I'm going to use it later on.

Ranma4703 · 02-12-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spike

I play in one local game where the house rule is that you have to table a hand to win a pot on the river. Personally I think that's stupid. So, if my opponent bluffs on the river, and I make a hero call, and he just mucks, then I have to table my hand.

They've never given me a straight answer as to what they'd do if I shot my cards deep into the muck. What would they do with the pot?

I've played at places that will split the pot between both players. Just show your hand.

allin4flush · 02-12-2012, 04:05 PM

Tommy Angelo covers this in the excellent book Elements of Poker. He suggests that players "fastroll" their hands in this situation. When the last card comes out and/or all betting is complete, if I feel I have the winning hand, I fastroll. If nobody shows quickly and it's possible I have a winner, I show regardless of position. If nobody shows and theres a delay and I play the board I'll show just to get the ball rolling. The showdown staredown nonsense really drives me crazy.

As Pfapfap said, imo there's more to gain by keeping a friendly fast-moving table than seeing what losing hand some guy limp/called with in mid position.

**Ray Zee** · 02-12-2012, 09:59 PM

against regulars that have class i tell them my hand when one is all in. against most players i wait and show in turn if they dont verbalize what they have. i never force anyone to show that verbalizes their hand that isnt the winner.
if they are first to show and dont say anything or show they are the ones that are slow rolling.

RockyMoose · 02-12-2012, 10:43 PM

OP stated he's coming from on online background were this sort of situation can't happen. Yeah, you slow-rolled the nuts. But it sounds like you made an honest mistake because you're so used to online play. Don't sweat it, stuff happens.

I have gone through the same process, coming from online to live, where I was reluctant to show when I technically had a right to see his hand first, but I've since come to the conclusion that at low stakes live NL, I'm not giving up much by showing a hand first or failing to see villain's hand from time to time. People hate it when you don't show the nuts immediately, especially in a huge pot. (Or so I've heard. Ugh.)

P0nzi · 02-13-2012, 12:34 AM

You have the nuts just show your hand

**SGT RJ** · 02-13-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by P0nzi

You have the nuts just show your hand

This. If I know I have the nuts I flip them over as soon as the river is dealt. If there's any hesitation on my part it's because I'm not sure I actually have the nuts.

the_spike · 02-14-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cltrich

Can you (or someone else) post or link this rule? I'm having a difficult time believing it.

You can look up Robert's Rules of Poker. I don't know if I agree with the idea that you "should" show. Here's how it's stated.

"In order to speed up the game, a player holding a probable winner is encouraged to show the hand without delay."

MSchu18 · 02-14-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thesilverbail

Playing in a 5-10 game at the local casino. I flop nfd+oc and get it in with another guy who was on my right, he made the last call. I bink on the turn and have the nuts on the river. For a second i was confused and asked the dealer "I show first right?" before turning my hand over. The delay would have been about 3 seconds. Whole table erupts and accuses me of slowrolling. They say that since I had the nuts it didn't matter who shows first, I should have tabled immediately anyway and it was poor etiquette not to do so.

You rolled his arse... that being said, if I wasn't involved in the hand I could care less.

Bob147 · 02-14-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

If you find you're unsure where you stand at showdown, then you're calling too much.

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I play limit games. If I call a bet on the river getting 19:1 with a bluff catcher, I expect to lose the vast majority of the time. If they hesitate, I'll show.