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01-29-2015 , 07:15 AM
In a multiway pot, the dealer puts out four cards on the flop and significant action ensues, and after the round of betting is complete it is called to the floor's attention that there is four cards on the board. There has been folds, calls and maybe even raises and calls and folds.

What are you ruling as you address this situation?

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01-29-2015 , 07:54 AM
Haha send the whole table home, they've had enough.

I probably rule the action stands as if it were the turn, then burn and put out a river.
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01-29-2015 , 08:21 AM
was it that the fourth card was under one of the exposed cards, and no one saw it? I'm assuming that must have been the case. If so, I would say let the action stand. I'm not sure about the burn. I guess you could either use the fourth card as the burn, and the next card becomes the turn. Or shuffle the fourth card back into the deck and burn and turn.

If there were four cards exposed (and I can't imagine how) then I would say it should be a dead hand and return everyone their money, as who would even know which 3 of the 4 cards they were including in the hand when making their bets. IMO this might be one of the rare cases where the hand is ****ed up beyond repair, and you just have to declare it null and void. The same way you do if 2 cards of the same suit and rank would appear on the board.
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01-29-2015 , 08:30 AM
Are you leaving out critical details OP?
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01-29-2015 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by IS350X
In a multiway pot, the dealer puts out four cards on the flop and significant action ensues, and after the round of betting is complete it is called to the floor's attention that there is four cards on the board. There has been folds, calls and maybe even raises and calls and folds.

What are you ruling as you address this situation?
Is this a hypothetical? I can't see how there's a four card flop and a ton of action without the dealer or any players noticing it's not the turn.
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01-29-2015 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
Are you leaving out critical details OP?
Like what? These are the facts that you have to work with as you approach the table.

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01-29-2015 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by IS350X
Like what? These are the facts that you have to work with as you approach the table.
Presumably, then, the floor would ask why everyone has their heads up their asses to obtain more information. What is that information?
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01-29-2015 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by IS350X
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What are you ruling as you address this situation?

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Insufficient info.
Before rushing to judgement, the floor should ask:
Was a card properly burned before flop was dealt?
When did the extra flop card become visible?
When did anyone first speak up?
Is there any disagreement as to which card was the extra one?
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01-29-2015 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by IS350X
Like what? These are the facts that you have to work with as you approach the table.

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Like was everyone ******ed and didn't realize there were 4 cards face up on flop. Or was it 3 cards face up with 2 cards stuck together.
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01-29-2015 , 12:21 PM
Assuming the board has four face up cards (as opposed to three face up cards, and one card stuck underneath another card), I would probably:

1. Declare the hand void
2. Try to return everyone's bets
3. Give all of the players 24 hour bans due to being too inebriated to gamble
4. Fire the dealer

The order of 3 and 4 could be swapped.
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01-29-2015 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bwolf
Like was everyone ******ed and didn't realize there were 4 cards face up on flop. Or was it 3 cards face up with 2 cards stuck together.
It is a made up scenario that would never happen in a casino and OP should be deleted.
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01-29-2015 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by IS350X
Like what? These are the facts that you have to work with as you approach the table.
Wait.

Do you think floors make decisions as they approach the table?
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01-29-2015 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by IS350X
In a multiway pot, the dealer puts out four cards on the flop and significant action ensues, and after the round of betting is complete it is called to the floor's attention that there is four cards on the board. There has been folds, calls and maybe even raises and calls and folds.

What are you ruling as you address this situation?

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first of all this is impossible. why was it called to the floor's attention AFTER significant action?

second of all this is just a hypothetical "what if" question.

third of all ibl
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01-29-2015 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
Wait.

Do you think floors make decisions as they approach the table?
Sadly many do.
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01-29-2015 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
Sadly many do.
No doubt, but it would be a really impressive trick in this situation
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01-29-2015 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by IS350X
Like what? These are the facts that you have to work with as you approach the table.

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Yeah, that's not how it works.
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01-29-2015 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OneCrazyDuck
Assuming the board has four face up cards (as opposed to three face up cards, and one card stuck underneath another card), I would probably:

1. Declare the hand void
2. Try to return everyone's bets
3. Give all of the players 24 hour bans due to being too inebriated to gamble
4. Fire the dealer

The order of 3 and 4 could be swapped.
This I like

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01-29-2015 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
first of all this is impossible. why was it called to the floor's attention AFTER significant action?

second of all this is just a hypothetical "what if" question.

third of all ibl
From what I understand this is an actual casino live floor call that happened and is not hypothetical except for this posts discussion.

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01-29-2015 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by IS350X
From what I understand this is an actual casino live floor call that happened and is not hypothetical except for this posts discussion.

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Except the hypothetical part where the players and dealers can't answer questions ?
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01-29-2015 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by IS350X
From what I understand this is an actual casino live floor call that happened and is not hypothetical except for this posts discussion.

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So were all 4 cards exposed before or after the betting was complete?

Without the answer to that question you will not get a correct answer to your question.
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01-30-2015 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Suit
So were all 4 cards exposed before or after the betting was complete?

Without the answer to that question you will not get a correct answer to your question.
The latest update of facts that I have gotten is yes all four cards were exposed on the betting round.

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01-30-2015 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IS350X
The latest update of facts that I have gotten is yes all four cards were exposed on the betting round.

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Do they spike the drinking water at this casino with LSD?

Seriously. Dealer spreads out 4 cards for the flop and the players bet and call?

IMHO, if the players and dealer are that stupid, then ANY ruling will do. How could they argue?

But I would tell the dealer to reconstruct the betting and give everybody their money back. And see me after his down.
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01-30-2015 , 09:27 PM
I would let all the action stand and treat as though they have completed the turn.

I once had a player claim that I did this. The problem was that he just wasn't paying attention to the fact that we completed the action on the flop and then I put up a turn. Of course the rest of the players paid enough attention to know he was nuts.
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01-30-2015 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
I would let all the action stand and treat as though they have completed the turn.
This. After all, it is the turn now.
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01-30-2015 , 09:39 PM
Yeah I wouldn't void the hand. Just act like it's the turn action and move on. I don't see how anybody in the hand would have a leg to stand on while protesting that ruling. If they don't like the ruling, pay better attention next time.

edit - maybe double burn for the river to bring the original river?
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