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 07-04-2012, 01:34 PM #1 enthusiast   Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 85 Pot Limit Question \$600 pot on the river. Player A has \$400, says "Pot". Player B has \$1,000 and calls. Player C has \$500, also calls. Goes to showdown, player A scoops the pot and has both players covered. Question is, what amount did player C call? The amount of the pot (\$600) or the all-in amount (\$400)? I.e., does he get to keep his last \$100? If it matters, no one asked how much player A had, but the dealer did announce the size of the Pot as \$600.
 07-04-2012, 01:40 PM #2 Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Itchycoo Park Posts: 10,846 Re: Pot Limit Question I assume nobody put any chips into the pot and just said "I call". Player A could only bet \$400. Unless Player B announced he was raising, he called \$400. Player C called \$400. Why so difficult?
 07-04-2012, 01:41 PM #3 adept   Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Irrelevant. Posts: 765 Re: Pot Limit Question Am I missing something complicated here? Obv the answer is \$400 but I don't see how this can even be a question. You can not call what has not been bet.
07-04-2012, 01:53 PM   #4

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Re: Pot Limit Question

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 Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle Player A could only bet \$400. Unless Player B announced he was raising, he called \$400. Player C called \$400.
This.

Regardless the size of the pot or what he says, Player A can't bet more chips than he has in front of him.

--klez

07-04-2012, 02:04 PM   #5
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Re: Pot Limit Question

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 Originally Posted by GutshotJeff \$600 pot on the river. Player A has \$400, says "Pot". Player B has \$1,000 and calls. Player C has \$500, also calls. Goes to showdown, player A scoops the pot and has both players covered [Huh??]. Question is, what amount did player C call? The amount of the pot (\$600) or the all-in amount (\$400)? I.e., does he get to keep his last \$100? If it matters, no one asked how much player A had, but the dealer did announce the size of the Pot as \$600.

If Player A indeed only had \$400, that's all he can bet, and that's all that B and C are betting by calling.
His saying "Pot" (even if the Dealer announced the pot as \$600) doesn't commit the extra \$200 for the other two players....
But if Player A only has \$400, how does he "cover" Player B's \$1000 and Player C's \$500? I think you've got a typo in here somewhere?

 07-04-2012, 04:18 PM #6 enthusiast   Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 85 Re: Pot Limit Question Yes, typo. Sorry, I meant player B had them covered and won the hand. I figured that ultimately player C couldn't be committed to more than player A could legally bet, but both players called based on the dealer's announced amount and no one noticed that player A didn't have that much until the action was all over. So that's why it was a question, since both players demonstrated intent to call up to \$600.
07-04-2012, 05:33 PM   #7
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Re: Pot Limit Question

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 Originally Posted by GutshotJeff So that's why it was a question, since both players demonstrated intent to call up to \$600.
Doesn't matter. The game is table stakes - you can't lose more than you have on the table, and you can't bet more than you have on the table. The bet was \$400.

 07-05-2012, 03:17 AM #8 old hand   Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,621 Re: Pot Limit Question Dealer should say something like, "pot is 600, looks like you have less so you're all in".
07-05-2012, 05:11 AM   #9
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Re: Pot Limit Question

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 Originally Posted by Otompsett Dealer should say something like, "pot is 600, looks like you have less so you're all in".
The dealer should never, ever say the words "looks like". If the dealer is certain the player's stack < pot, he can clarify that the player is all-in--but if he's not sure, "looks like" will cause more problems than it will fix.

If A declared "pot", the dealer can't tell how deep player is, dealer should just keep his mouth shut. If B and C are dumb enough to call without knowing what the bet is, that's their problem.

 07-05-2012, 10:17 AM #10 enthusiast   Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 85 Re: Pot Limit Question Ok, I should clarify a few things. My question was a simplified version of the actual hand. It was a home game, not a professional dealer. He simply announced the amount of the pot and the players acted before he would have really had time to notice that the player was all-in for less. I was player B. I called rather than raised because I wanted player C to come along. I didn't know exactly what player A had, but I knew that if it was more than \$600, it wasn't much and far less than what player C had in front of him. Obviously my raising would have made no difference as far as what he would have to call, I just didn't want to show that much strength and induce a fold. Also, in the actual hand that prompted my question, player C actually had less than player A. But before the chips were counted, he thought he had more and would not be committed for his entire stack. Then someone was arguing that he said call in response to the amount that the dealer announced and so he should be bound to whatever he had up to the size of the pot. I didn't think that was correct, but once the chips were counted it became moot since he actually had slightly less than player A. So I changed the numbers and posed this as a hypothetical. I figured the answer was what you guys have said, just wanted to make sure.
 07-05-2012, 08:17 PM #11 HP JoY 2011 wienerbucket     Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ... Posts: 20,314 That someone arguing that a player has to call a bet not made is talking out of his ass.
07-06-2012, 02:14 AM   #12

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Re: Pot Limit Question

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 Originally Posted by pfapfap That someone arguing that a player has to call a bet not made is talking out of his ass.
^^^

\$400 bucks worth....

07-06-2012, 12:35 PM   #13
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Re: Pot Limit Question

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 Originally Posted by pfapfap That someone arguing that a player has to call a bet not made is talking out of his ass.
To be fair, he wasn't arguing adamantly. It was more like, "isn't he committed to the full \$600?" Then like I said, it was dropped after the stacks were counted. After the ruling in that controversial PLO pot in the \$50K WSOP event, it didn't seem completely out of the question. I wasn't going to make a big deal of it either way.

07-07-2012, 12:24 AM   #14

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Re: Pot Limit Question

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 Originally Posted by GutshotJeff To be fair, he wasn't arguing adamantly. It was more like, "isn't he committed to the full \$600?" Then like I said, it was dropped after the stacks were counted. After the ruling in that controversial PLO pot in the \$50K WSOP event, it didn't seem completely out of the question. I wasn't going to make a big deal of it either way.
There's a big difference between all players thinking all action was complete preflop and some monkey trying to make an extra hundy on an impossible bet..

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