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Player wearing headphones misunderstands an all-in bet. Ruling? Player wearing headphones misunderstands an all-in bet. Ruling?

05-01-2014 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
So basically you are saying that what A did in this case was better because it could have resulted in him getting more money than he should have, I.e. a free roll.
Not exactly. He was extremely clear and not angling at all, if you reread the OP. It is being argued that Player A being even more clear protects Player A. I am saying the opposite; it only protects people who don't pay attention, because you wouldn't get a call anyway if they were paying attention. If they successfully weasel out that's the fold you would have gotten anyway.
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05-01-2014 , 12:54 PM
No, it also protects himself. You are assuming A got the ruling he hoped for; you even said so, but it is not stated by the OP.
The floor may have ruled that B gets his money back, we don't know. Or, if A had been more clear, B may have called, and A would have gotten even more money, so even a better ruling may cost him.
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05-01-2014 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Clarkwt
...floor is called and ruled player b owes the additional. Thoughts?
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05-01-2014 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LowSociety
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Oops, was that changed recently?

Maybe you confused me, as you said the OP asked for a ruling, not general advice. It looks like he actually just asked for thoughts.

In this case, my thoughts are the general advice is much more important than the actual ruling.

And we still don't know if B actually put in the rest of the money, or left without paying.

If you'd rather just "be right" and maybe get the money you are entitled to, plus free roll for more, that's your perogative. I'd rather be clear and get exactly the amount of money I'm entitled to.
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05-01-2014 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LowSociety

When "I wasn't paying attention" (in any form) gets you money back in poker, we're all doomed.

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Originally Posted by Robert's Rules of Poker
Section 3, "Betting and Raising," Rule 13 includes
... if you are unaware that the pot has been raised, you may withdraw that money and reconsider your action, provided that no one else has acted after you. At pot-limit or no-limit betting, if there is a gross misunderstanding concerning the amount of the wager, see Section 14, Rule 8.
LowSociety, the rules just disagree with you. They clearly call out places where not paying attention should get you your money back. Whether we like it or not, those are the rules.

The general comment you're leaving seems to be "The rules are clear, why is everyone arguing about it?!" What is happening is, you're seeing dealers, floor people, and poker room managers answering how they would approach this floor call. And clearly there is no consensus on what the correct approach should be.

This should educate you as a player that expecting 100% consistent rulings in every room you play in is a fallacy. Each dealer, floor, and manager you deal with is a person. People make mistakes. People have opinions and their own approaches to logic. It's just how it is.

If there's a lesson you should take here it is that you should do everything you can to protect your own action, to be clear and straightforward, and to appreciate that even if you do do everything right there's always the chance that you'll get screwed anyway with an unjust ruling. However you're much less likely to be the victim of an injustice if you ensure you're being clear and straightforward in all that you do.
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05-04-2014 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
This is a call. I am willing to let a player escape in some situations, such as if he speaks up before anybody acts based upon his action. Suppose that as he dropped out his $70 and the dealer threw out the all-in button he -- said "Wait stop ....whats going on ....." then I might be willing to let him off on the basis of a gross misunderstanding.
I lean towards this decision, although I would add "in very rare situations"
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