Originally Posted by TrololoNoob
sup, im a brazilian player and i have some doubts that only foreigners can solve.
first, here in brazil there is a retarded ramification of PLO (very popular here), in which we call PLO "capped". Capped, but not the amount of bbs u can put in the pot in one hand, but the deck. there are no deuces thru sixes, so full houses are very common, and small full houses are only bluffcatchers. flushes are very hard to do, and so, they can beat full houses. it is a very stupid game in my opinion, edges are really small because u almost never have the nuts, and a lot of random hands have good equity agaisnt very strong ones. Almost every hand a lot of money goes in the pot, so it is almost impossble to beat the rake too, unless its capped. my doubt is, is this game played only in brazil? did we invented it? if not, do people play it in vegas? european casinos?
secondly, i was talkin to a dealer friend. and he told me the rules have changed not only in tourneys but cash games too. when someone bets the river and get called. the player who bets does not want to show his hand, he simple gives it up. i know it is very unethical and unpolite to ask a player to show his hands when he have already gave up of the pot. but once he bets and gets called, the player who called has the right to see his cards if asked to. am i wrong? this dealer friend of mine, told me that it isnt like this anymore world widely in poker. he said that the only situation in which this is acceptable, is when there is collusion and chip dumping suspicious. whos right?
thanks in advance.
1. Never heard of this PLO variant.
2. What you say that your dealer friend told you is almost correct. I suspect that he actually told you the correct information and you didn't relay it precisely.
In general (the following applies to most cardrooms in the US that I'm aware of), the player who calls does have the right to see the cards, but you are only supposed to exercise this right when collusion is suspected. It is considered poor etiquette to ask to see the hand if the player who is called just folds it. But the caller (or actually any player dealt in the hand) can demand this.
Rooms will vary in how strictly they apply the standard that you can only ask to see the hand in cases of suspected collusion. In some places if you do it every single time, then they will take this right away from you.
Also if the called player folds and his cards touch the muck, then (in most places) you can no longer request to see the hand.
Also, if there are only two players left at showdown, and the player who is called mucks his hand, then the other player doesn't have to show his hand to receive the pot (unless, of course, someone else at the table invokes their right to see his hand).
Originally Posted by johnny2toes
If you call on the and the person just sits there without turning his cards up you can generally ask to see them. But you can't dig them out if the person mucks them. In that case the rules vary: in mainland Europe you get awarded the pot without having to show yourself. In the US and the UK a winner has to show - which is a better rule.
The bolded is untrue in my experience. And if true, it definitely wouldn't be a better rule. It doesn't even really make sense. Let's say the hand gets to showdown with only two players and the player who is called folds and his cards are mucked. Then why would the remaining player have to show. Besides, if he did muck after the first player mucked, then who would be awarded the pot? It would make no sense to do anything else with it other than giving it to the player who last held cards in his hand.