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11-30-2010 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 663366
OP msg me if you want tips, I'm a MSNL player who just did 3 months in vegas.. your private msg is turned off.
i am trying to send u a msg, but i cant figure out how, but i think now i can receive messages.

as for all the other comments, greatly appreciated. about the 500 hours live session, actually i don't know how much time i spent playing live, probly longer than 500 as i remember playing 40 hour str8 days, but my win rate have always been pretty high. the good thing about my live game is that upon so many trips, i rarely have a losing trip, about once in 8 times i have a losing trip, that's why i like to play live so much cuz of little to none downswings. however i really think that's not because how good i am, its just the players in there are really bad. i am pretty sure the average skill in the players are weaker than the Vegas players.
with all the comments about Vegas and LA, making me think twice about going, maybe i will just pick a weekend and test out in Vegas first. oh, i think
i have pretty good patience and discipline, i almost never play pit games in my local area, and i don't do hookers and blow. ( to the person giving advice mentioning hooker and blow, i cant imagine ur typing those with a straight face on, was that a joke? )
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11-30-2010 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by friendlybee
i am trying to send u a msg, but i cant figure out how, but i think now i can receive messages.

as for all the other comments, greatly appreciated. about the 500 hours live session, actually i don't know how much time i spent playing live, probly longer than 500 as i remember playing 40 hour str8 days, but my win rate have always been pretty high. the good thing about my live game is that upon so many trips, i rarely have a losing trip, about once in 8 times i have a losing trip, that's why i like to play live so much cuz of little to none downswings. however i really think that's not because how good i am, its just the players in there are really bad. i am pretty sure the average skill in the players are weaker than the Vegas players.
with all the comments about Vegas and LA, making me think twice about going, maybe i will just pick a weekend and test out in Vegas first. oh, i think
i have pretty good patience and discipline, i almost never play pit games in my local area, and i don't do hookers and blow. ( to the person giving advice mentioning hooker and blow, i cant imagine ur typing those with a straight face on, was that a joke? )
The bolded part is a warning sign. If you don't keep good records, you're probably not taking this as seriously as you need to if you want to succeed. If you want a 3 month adventure, go for it. GL
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11-30-2010 , 12:09 PM
Don't move to LA.
LA is best if you know you're playing 5-10+ but the smaller games all have absurdly low max buyins and extremely high rake. It would be tough to make enough in those games to live in a decent area in LA.
Vegas is great for the limits you're looking for but a tough place to maintain a stable lifestyle.
I'd look at Florida, AC, Chicago, etc... all these places have the games you're looking for and are reasonably affordable. GL
I wouldn't play 5-10 until you have a bigger roll. Minimum 30K if poker is gonna be your primary source of income.

Last edited by Watermelons8; 11-30-2010 at 12:14 PM.
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11-30-2010 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by friendlybee
i am trying to send u a msg, but i cant figure out how, but i think now i can receive messages.

as for all the other comments, greatly appreciated. about the 500 hours live session, actually i don't know how much time i spent playing live, probly longer than 500 as i remember playing 40 hour str8 days, but my win rate have always been pretty high. the good thing about my live game is that upon so many trips, i rarely have a losing trip, about once in 8 times i have a losing trip, that's why i like to play live so much cuz of little to none downswings. however i really think that's not because how good i am, its just the players in there are really bad. i am pretty sure the average skill in the players are weaker than the Vegas players.
with all the comments about Vegas and LA, making me think twice about going, maybe i will just pick a weekend and test out in Vegas first. oh, i think
i have pretty good patience and discipline, i almost never play pit games in my local area, and i don't do hookers and blow. ( to the person giving advice mentioning hooker and blow, i cant imagine ur typing those with a straight face on, was that a joke? )
how can you know your win rate "has alwys been preety high" if you do not know how many hours you have played? Also 22K for 5/10 is way to low. Assuming 2K max buyin that gives you 11 BI's. Better off playing 2/5. If you can build it up then try 5/10.
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11-30-2010 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ezdonk26
i would suggest moving to L.A instead . 5/10 games are super soft at the Bicyce casino,HP,hustler,commerce !


Worried about safety in vegas he certainly does not want to go to HP. He may fly right back home.
If you beat 200nl online 5-10 should be something you can handle live. The buy in at bellagio is 500-1500 so you have 40 buyins if you choose. Safety is NOT a problem at all.
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11-30-2010 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SolidFish
I dunno why some of u guys are suggesting LA. They have the worst NL structure in the country!! LA is great for limit poker but not NL (and by great I mean the absolute best). I remember playing 300nl at commerce and the blinds were 3-6. Was the silliest game I've played in.
So silly it doesn't exist.

And we're recommending LA over Vegas because the 5/10NL situation is better in LA.
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12-01-2010 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by eco74
So silly it doesn't exist.

And we're recommending LA over Vegas because the 5/10NL situation is better in LA.
Yeah I guess I was lying about the 50bb nl games at commerce. Why even suggest 5-10nl w a roll of 22k especially if u can't even drop down in stakes without having a ******ed structure? OP is looking for advice on becoming a full time player, not trying to take a shot in a 5-10 game.

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12-01-2010 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SolidFish
Yeah I guess I was lying about the 50bb nl games at commerce. Why even suggest 5-10nl w a roll of 22k especially if u can't even drop down in stakes without having a ******ed structure? OP is looking for advice on becoming a full time player, not trying to take a shot in a 5-10 game.
Probably because you have had incorrect information in every single one of your posts (though you seem to mean well...)

no 3/6 NL. The 300NL game at Commerce is 2/3, if you were so unobservant to not notice that.... hmm...

5/10NL and 10/20NL (uncapped) regularly runs at the B and V...

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Originally Posted by friendlybee
i wanna become a pro in Las Vegas, and live there for like 3 month or so to try out, but i have some questions. is it worth it? is the 5-10 NL game in Vegas tough?
Probably because the OP specifically asked about 5/10NL in his first post...
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12-01-2010 , 04:30 PM
Wrong info on every single one of my posts? I played at commerce 300nl 4 years ago. My fault. I think the blind amount was the only incorrect info. Sorry but what else am I wrong about?
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12-01-2010 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SolidFish
Wrong info on every single one of my posts? I played at commerce 300nl 4 years ago. My fault. I think the blind amount was the only incorrect info. Sorry but what else am I wrong about?
There is no $300NL game at Commerce, and there wasn't one 4 years ago either. There is a $200NL with 3/5 blinds (if you get felted you can then rebuy to $300). It's called the $200NL game on the boards.
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12-01-2010 , 06:35 PM
22k for a bankroll for playing 5/10 NL for a living? are you out of your mind?
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12-01-2010 , 10:45 PM
OP, LIVE YOUR DREAM
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01-06-2011 , 04:47 AM
I'm in the same situation friendlybee I'm moving to Vegas on the 1st March with around the same bank roll. I have found a Hotel apartment on the strip for $210 a week with free internet and Meals. Normally I pay this for one night in Melbourne. I have no job but can get one straight away if needed. But you should believe in your self I think if you can live there for three months or more and grind away start small as always and build up I mean $1000 dollars a week is a lot of money for the average Joe and we both no that that is very very easy for a poker player to make this without even trying hard. If you are looking for a friend as I said I'm heading there in March and I don't know anybody. I'm going for poker though not to party, I have strict goals and want to achieve them.
Send me a email at texas1234567890@hotmail.com
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01-06-2011 , 09:49 AM
I spend 9 months each year in Las Vegas but I have plenty of cash, but when I 1st lived there I was a semibroke degen (6-10 years ago).

DO NOT PLAY 1/2 LIVE OR EVEN 1/3 You will never beat the vig.

as per Mr Moore even 2/5 plus living costs can be tough with the vig and the fact that many local grinders will play that low and treat it like an online game or higher game. Will your confidence be eroded if you say fork over $2k of your $22k for your 1st months rent, security and move in costs (do you have furniture) and then suffer a 2BI downswing so your BR =18k etc. Think about this deeply.

Whatever your online win rate is in BB/hr you can pretty much divide that by 6-8 for a live win rate (if you are lucky SERIOUSLY). Some games play so slowly you will want to kill someone some days and then you have to adjust to dealer errors and the aforementioned house vig and dealer tips.

So if you go to Vegas you should play as much online to get your earn and treat the 3 month live experience as just that, a get your feet wet experience with living alone (or with a roomie which is an experience in itself), getting used to the numbletards you will meet, the hookers who will constantly harang you, the other hustlers who will try to reach out to you, dealing with getting drunk or if otherwise inclined stoned and then not losing said bankroll.

I play each day at either Bellagio or Venetian and generally find the 5/10 games at Bellagio much tougher and much smaller in terms of $$ on the table but that is where the better live/online grinders are found. The V uncapped 5/10 NLH game attracts the fishy businessmen but they will often donk down 20k and then make the game into a $1-2k coin flip. The Wynn game used to be totally uncapped (havent played since Oct) so not sure there but you can easily play the 2/5 there and get sufficient easier action in BR terms but again can you live with a win rate of $10 per hour if you are lucky and good.

Finding an apartment can also be fun, a room-mate who is trustworthy is a tough find in a place so full of liars. Search out some of the better online pros who live in say a 3-4 bedroom place where you can move right into a fully furnished situation etc

Overall, Vegas is a lot of fun, get off the strip and go listen to some of the brilliant live music scene, go play golf, sun at the pool, hit baseballs down at the Boston Garden cages, see a show or 2 but stay away from the Strip Clubs and nightclub scene cause a lazy $5k can disappear as quickly as you say "live poker sucks"
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01-06-2011 , 09:57 AM
BTW - Whoever says there are few 5/10 or 10/20 NLH games going in Vegas is FOS and clearly is mouthing off about live poker without knowing jacksheet, there are always games at Bellagio.
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01-06-2011 , 10:33 AM
the games in vegas are good, but not great. for a decent online player they're soft, but by live standards I don't think they are. i like vegas, but people who live there get bored of it.

the games in california are better, esp for those who have the roll to play 10/20nl+ at commerce. those games can be a gold mine. problem is playing at commerce leads to depression. you will want to kill yourself after like 3 days living in that area.

my advice is to look for somewhere that has better games than vegas and better atmosphere than LA. before i get flamed, yeah i know there are nice areas in LA but probably not for a guy who wants to live on the cheap, and it's a fact that commerce is a ********.

did not read much of the thread. it's probably repetitive by now. still thought I should add my 2 cents.
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01-06-2011 , 02:06 PM
Is not Florida an option? Are the games not juicy there?
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01-06-2011 , 08:23 PM
After reading through this thread, DirtyBird20 and the ex-infantry guy had the best posts. IMO, I really like finding the juicy homegames and staying in an area where I know people and know I am safe. Vegas will always be my getaway
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01-06-2011 , 08:24 PM
And gl to you OP!
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01-06-2011 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyBird20
I spend 9 months each year in Las Vegas but I have plenty of cash, but when I 1st lived there I was a semibroke degen (6-10 years ago).

DO NOT PLAY 1/2 LIVE OR EVEN 1/3 You will never beat the vig.

as per Mr Moore even 2/5 plus living costs can be tough with the vig and the fact that many local grinders will play that low and treat it like an online game or higher game. Will your confidence be eroded if you say fork over $2k of your $22k for your 1st months rent, security and move in costs (do you have furniture) and then suffer a 2BI downswing so your BR =18k etc. Think about this deeply.

Whatever your online win rate is in BB/hr you can pretty much divide that by 6-8 for a live win rate (if you are lucky SERIOUSLY). Some games play so slowly you will want to kill someone some days and then you have to adjust to dealer errors and the aforementioned house vig and dealer tips.

So if you go to Vegas you should play as much online to get your earn and treat the 3 month live experience as just that, a get your feet wet experience with living alone (or with a roomie which is an experience in itself), getting used to the numbletards you will meet, the hookers who will constantly harang you, the other hustlers who will try to reach out to you, dealing with getting drunk or if otherwise inclined stoned and then not losing said bankroll.

I play each day at either Bellagio or Venetian and generally find the 5/10 games at Bellagio much tougher and much smaller in terms of $$ on the table but that is where the better live/online grinders are found. The V uncapped 5/10 NLH game attracts the fishy businessmen but they will often donk down 20k and then make the game into a $1-2k coin flip. The Wynn game used to be totally uncapped (havent played since Oct) so not sure there but you can easily play the 2/5 there and get sufficient easier action in BR terms but again can you live with a win rate of $10 per hour if you are lucky and good.

Finding an apartment can also be fun, a room-mate who is trustworthy is a tough find in a place so full of liars. Search out some of the better online pros who live in say a 3-4 bedroom place where you can move right into a fully furnished situation etc

Overall, Vegas is a lot of fun, get off the strip and go listen to some of the brilliant live music scene, go play golf, sun at the pool, hit baseballs down at the Boston Garden cages, see a show or 2 but stay away from the Strip Clubs and nightclub scene cause a lazy $5k can disappear as quickly as you say "live poker sucks"
It is extremely wrong to say that the Vig can't be beat at 1/2 and 1/3. Maybe not to a healthy living, but the game can and is beaten.
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01-07-2011 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyBird20
BTW - Whoever says there are few 5/10 or 10/20 NLH games going in Vegas is FOS and clearly is mouthing off about live poker without knowing jacksheet, there are always games at Bellagio.
Yes there are always games going at Bellagio but there are always MORE games going at Commerce at those levels. Don't know who said it ITT but perhaps it was a relative comment.
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01-07-2011 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyBird20
I spend 9 months each year in Las Vegas but I have plenty of cash, but when I 1st lived there I was a semibroke degen (6-10 years ago).

DO NOT PLAY 1/2 LIVE OR EVEN 1/3 You will never beat the vig.

as per Mr Moore even 2/5 plus living costs can be tough with the vig and the fact that many local grinders will play that low and treat it like an online game or higher game. Will your confidence be eroded if you say fork over $2k of your $22k for your 1st months rent, security and move in costs (do you have furniture) and then suffer a 2BI downswing so your BR =18k etc. Think about this deeply.

Whatever your online win rate is in BB/hr you can pretty much divide that by 6-8 for a live win rate (if you are lucky SERIOUSLY). Some games play so slowly you will want to kill someone some days and then you have to adjust to dealer errors and the aforementioned house vig and dealer tips.

So if you go to Vegas you should play as much online to get your earn and treat the 3 month live experience as just that, a get your feet wet experience with living alone (or with a roomie which is an experience in itself), getting used to the numbletards you will meet, the hookers who will constantly harang you, the other hustlers who will try to reach out to you, dealing with getting drunk or if otherwise inclined stoned and then not losing said bankroll.

I play each day at either Bellagio or Venetian and generally find the 5/10 games at Bellagio much tougher and much smaller in terms of $$ on the table but that is where the better live/online grinders are found. The V uncapped 5/10 NLH game attracts the fishy businessmen but they will often donk down 20k and then make the game into a $1-2k coin flip. The Wynn game used to be totally uncapped (havent played since Oct) so not sure there but you can easily play the 2/5 there and get sufficient easier action in BR terms but again can you live with a win rate of $10 per hour if you are lucky and good.

Finding an apartment can also be fun, a room-mate who is trustworthy is a tough find in a place so full of liars. Search out some of the better online pros who live in say a 3-4 bedroom place where you can move right into a fully furnished situation etc

Overall, Vegas is a lot of fun, get off the strip and go listen to some of the brilliant live music scene, go play golf, sun at the pool, hit baseballs down at the Boston Garden cages, see a show or 2 but stay away from the Strip Clubs and nightclub scene cause a lazy $5k can disappear as quickly as you say "live poker sucks"
This is one of the most incorrect posts I have read in my entire life. Wow.
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01-07-2011 , 09:51 PM
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This is one of the most incorrect posts I have read in my entire life. Wow.
YEP!!!!!
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01-08-2011 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by IIIII
Is not Florida an option? Are the games not juicy there?
+1. Making the move down to Florida soon enough and have heard good things about the east coast area but any Floridians with more knowledge of the new landscape down there, please share!
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01-08-2011 , 08:12 PM
with only 22k you may as well put a down payment on a condo while th market is soft and keep playing on line for your money... if you are beating the online games, buy a home and keep making money. I'm assuming you are under 25, so once the market readjusts sell the condo for a tidy profit and if you still want to follow the dream you will have not only a healthy bankroll, but money for a home in your destination
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