Do you play more hands an hour headsup or full-ring? I hate rake as much as the next guy but a reduction certainly is already built into time rake charge. If anything it should be reduced per player in full, slow games... Should the hotel give you a break if they give you a suite to yourself or if they make you share a regular room with 8 other people?

It's sort of a backwards practice from the player's perspective imo. Of course I get the house's motivation though.

You get a similar situation in games like dice. A house will often pay a shill to provide the service for them that a high stakes vip would demand from them. I look at the headsup poker table the same way I look at the restricted dice table if I'm sitting so it seems like a strange thing to complain about considering all the other things poker players get robbed of.

Lol. You've never heard a mid-high stakes player analyze how much rake is per hand? You just mentioned an example of it in this very post!!!

If you're going to be a nit you at least need to be a reasonable one. Now, you can argue something like, "the policy doesn't involve hands per hour and includes a reduction in short games, they should follow their policy" but you can't just dismiss rake/hand as a meaningful part of discussion regarding what policy should be when somebody brings it up. Again, you yourself bring it up in this post by suggesting policy was wrong/unfair in a game where you lost your HANDS, even though the policy criteria had been met. YOU made the statement.

I'm one of the biggest nits I know but I'd usually pay extra if they demanded it to keep a headsup game going. It's one situation where their policy favors you to begin with. Not acknowledging that gives nits a bad name.

1) OP= Jon Aguilar (multi accounting)

2) Just kidding. Sorry Had to do it.

3) OP while i'm sorry for your horrible experience I'm quite shocked that even played at the RIO for 5 minutes if you are member of this thread as many others have said.

4) You should go back, play elswhere, and write another trip report. I find your style of writing amusing.

5) I've been to the WSOP 3 times and I've never played a single hand of cash in the RIO. Not really sure why anyone would. There are good games going on all over town you just need to look.

You play at the Rio because they offer games that are not offered anywhere else in the city. In particular, there are probably 5x as many mid-to-high stakes limit games running at the Rio as the rest of the city combined. So of these games and limits (e.g. pure high-limit stud 8 games) are not regularly spread at casinos anywhere in the country.

to me OP is a douche for making fun of the lady with the Graves disease, calling her bugeyes. dude, it's a real disease, if she was in a wheelchair I'm wondering what witty names you'd come up with. Her condition has nothing to do with anything. Why bring it up?

The biggest practical value of the Rio for me was baiting all the regular grinders out of games like the Venetian 8/16 LO8 or the Venetian and Aria SSPLO games. I suppose the other practical value is getting some games together that just don't exist elsewhere (or at least, not during the series):

The house is providing value to us by aggregating the players to make these games run. They're not under moral compulsion to comp you. You're certainly within your rights to resent that they don't, or to go elsewhere, or to write message boards on how cheap they are. But in the end, there's only one WSOP, and they know it.

If I were playing in a good $75/150 LO8 game at the Rio, well, tipping the floor an extra redbird to help him remember where he put that stash of comps would be the least of my worries.

Well, they're all profit maximizers, and the biggest ones are publicly traded corporations. The difference is, Caesars Interactive seems to invest less to provide an elite gambling experience and more in mass-market stuff like the WSOP. It's easy to rate one as morally superior to the other if it's what you happen to like, but keep in mind, the mass marketing of the WSOP fueled a big part of the poker boom. Granted, some of that was pre-2004, but still....

Seconded.

Policy is the way things are handled. Do you think manager discretion means some untrained bum off the street just looks up into thin air and does something or that his decisions are based on policy guidelines and training? Again, what is your point? That somebody pointed out hu rake in live time charge games is a good deal, reduced or not, based on hands per hour but they shouldn't have? What the definition of policy is? How this one time at band camp your table broke?

Also, yes played in plenty of time games. In good headsup games often pay the other guy's time. That's my policy...though it is up to my discretion.

To me it seemed like the cash game area was just the smallest fraction of the WSOP, and least important.

The whole vibe sucked. It is in a convention hall after all, and felt more like playing gin before a wedding than playing poker.

Plenty of better places to find games. Dynasty had the best point, but for the point that you should play the WSOP for the tourneys, as the WSOP setup for cash is bound to frustrate any player used to a normal room. Trips to the Rio, for me, will definitely be for tourneys only, from now on.

If your games are mid to high-limit Omaha 8 and Stud 8, as appears to be true for the OP, where exactly are these places?

I should add that I think a lot of the OP's complaints are silly. Someone looking for mixed games in the 75/150 range should be thankful that he can find these games anywhere at all, and not be too worried about not getting the standard $1-$2/hour food comp, or whether he will get a discount on time when shorthanded.

Good point. I think Wynn was running an O8 (50/100), but I didn't see any stud when I was there.

Out of curiosity, when else do mixed games or LO8 go at stakes like that? Maybe at the Commerce occasionally? Obviously the Aria has the 300/600 or whatever. Has the Bellagio LO8 gone any time lately?

The WSOP provides value aside from the tournaments themselves, as a signal to players in obscure games that it's time to gather in Vegas and expect those games attract recreational players. That's way more valuable than comps.

(Good thing I'm a small stakes player so it's all academic to me.)

@OP just curious how much money did you lose?? It appears if you won like 20k you wouldnt be bit*****..... if you didnt like the room you should of left, and why not try Aria isnt that the best poker room in vegas for high stakes??

And in this whole ****ing trip you didn't think of taking a shuttle to another room?