you still can. On the button just check when its your action.

on the contrary, your implied odds may improve, people are more willing to fight for a large pot when they have a greater commitment.

the key to poker is adjust adjust adjust. Just another adjustment situation in my eyes.

If your out of position that could be a good strategy, but if the straddler often takes his option then UTG is a fantastic stealing position for example. Also limping in when you expect the straddler to raise (because they don't know how to strategically adjust properly and they mindlessly think "I must raise, its my straddle") can really be a fantastic move with huge hands.

you also have position pre-flop if anyone raises, your still last to act!

lol, TT - When you quoted "Cause if I then have to act first preflop on my button, that ****ing sucks a TON" I assumed that your post was referring to letting the CO post the MSS (even though it didn't make much sense read that way, silly me) so my next post that you just responded to was talking about strategy considerations when the CO posts the MSS on your button, which isn't how you read it.

I dont particularly like the MS straddle. I prefer a straddle where the button has first option, then so on and so on. And button has absolute last action PF, i.e., he doesn't act until all raises have been made, so one player can raise, another can re-raise, and it doesn't come back to the button until the other player(s) has acted.

Regarding straddles in general, I think they're intended for deep games. Straddling in a game where the average stack is 100BB's is kind of pointless imo. I also dont like UTG straddles. I almost never straddle UTG unless the whole table agrees to a round of straddles. IMO the best spot for a straddle is a button straddle even if it doesnt get absolute last action, and I think straddles should be used in games where the average stack is 200BB's or more. And fwiw, a button straddle in a deepstack PLO game is a huge edge for a good player (the word huge is relative, but imo it's very significant).

Can someone help me with this? I am a searchtard.

I diddn't like the mss. But I'm a rather tight ABC type player. For the people that have the reraise with air in their system I've seen them scare the omsser from doing it anymore.

My overall assessment of it is I wish it would go away.

How do you feel about the UTG straddling when you're on the button, CO, or the blinds?

In a NL I play in regularly, I rarely straddle, unless I'm coming in UTG then I'll straddle instead of waiting a hand for the BB (started out as a joke because the regs know that's the only spot I'll straddle in).

However, there are some players that love to straddle every time they're under the gun, but sometimes they forget when they've been drinking. If I'm on or near the button against this type of player I'll usually throw a reminder out there but some of the tighter players don't like it. Table doesn't play very deep, rare is the night when 2 or more are > 200bbs.

Al you are cool. Would Mississippi straddle all day if we were allowed here. In Canada the straddles aren't live. Doh. People still blind raise it UTG though. Nice.

I like to use the button straddle when the table is tighter, even more when the 2 players to my right are tight, they will fold most of the time leaving dead money in the pot.
The key is also to have a deep table, no short stacks, under 40 BB's that will push with any 2 Broadway cards, this over time will make it a losing bet, but if the table is deep where they are not going to push then I am for it, it also allows you to play in a 2/5 game where you are a normal 5/10 player so you have the advantage in skill level I hope and this would be a giant advantage.
If I could play every hand on the button I would gladly pay the extra blind.

I've quit a game at Goldstrike before when some boy straddled everytime he wasn't in the blind and I was to his left. It gets to be bull**** acting first every single hand

worst idea ever. take the nittiest, nut-peddling, hyper-positional variants of poker and make them even more positional than they already are.

Sorry, grunching here as I don't have time atm to read all of the replies.

I've seen it loosen up games and also kill action in games. If you've got a table full of people looking to gamble it's great. Makes for some big pf pots and crazy action. If you've got a table of nittier players, then it really discourages limping thus meaning there is no one to raise on your button

My experience with the mss is freom tunica $1/2 and $2/5 NLHE games. Never played with a mss in PLO but it sounds really, really fun since three bets don't seem to discourage people from seeing a flop, so why should a measly 2bb straddle?

Mississippi straddle is fun. It's just a variation, and since everyone has the option to do so, no one is at a predetermined disadvantage...good for the game too imo. Usually not liked by very tight players/rocks. That said, I'd reccomend anyone play a round or two of it before making an assesment, b/c on the surface it can look a little odd.

The Texas Straddle is a lot of fun. Absolute last action preflop.

Straddles in general make players play tighter. Mississippi straddles more so.

You could have just straddled and gone last instead of first.

The Mississippi Straddle is active at the Hard Rock casino in Tampa, FL. I believe it also exists at the Hard Rock in Hollywood, FL.

When players take the option, they do so almost exclusively, when they have the button. This might seem counter-intuitive, because the straddle enables you to act last, but if you're on the button, you are already going to be acting last after the flop. However, in practice, being able to act last pre-flop also does seem to be a big advantage.

The players who straddle tend to make pre-flop raises a large percentage of the time. Often you will see the following two scenarios:

1) Straddle on button for $10. Three players limp for $10 each, pot is now $40. Button raises to $75 or $100. Everyone folds. Button picks up an easy $30.

2) Straddle on button for $10. Two players limp for $10 each. Button raises to $50. One player calls and will now be out of position for the remainder of the hand. Flop comes. (Both players miss.) Player checks. Button bets $75 or $100. Opponent folds. Button picks up an easy $60 or so.

Say you're playing 2/5 at a table with 9 player seats, and say, on average, one of the players is absent (restroom, food, whatever). And say you straddle only when you have the button. What are you really getting for your blind $10 bet?

* The pots tend to be sweeter (higher) when you're in position.
* Two of the eight players (one quarter of your opponents) now have to act before you, allowing you to see their action, and perhaps trap them.
* In the same vein, there are now two fewer players who can trap you if you decide to limp/check.
* Fewer drawing hands are going to limp in, for two reasons; it costs them twice as much, and the effective stack sizes, in comparison to the new blind level, are half as deep, making big cards more valuable, and drawing hands less valuable. So expect to be playing against more high cards and fewer speculative hands.
* Your table image changes (from, perhaps a rock) to either a pro, or a wild and crazy player who isn't afraid to bet and raise. This can be a big advantage *IF* you know how to play that image well. It can create a lot of fear in your opponents. Maybe show garbage when you bluff, and then clean up when you walk into a big hand and no one gives you credit for it. Or bully some of the smaller stacks.

Disclaimer: I don't straddle... Yet. But this is how I see people employing it, and it does seem to confuse players, and even put them on tilt. I think if you take the time to learn how to use the Mississippi straddle, and you are rolled up properly for the stakes you're playing at, it could be a very effective weapon.

The StraddleFreak doesn't straddle?!

That's the freaky part.

That & resurrecting posts from the beginning of the decade; that's a bit freaky too. :sly:

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