M8trix Casino (San Jose, CA) hype thread

[dom80e]

I think it is clear from the way they have done business in the past and the way they are handling the opening that GC management is not fit to do their jobs.

[AngusThermopyle]

http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-...ing-day-now-up

(SJ Police Chief) Moore said he hoped to look over the recommendation and have a decision on Friday.
A spokesman for the casino said the recommendations from the city are tough, but acceptable. He said the casino is looking forward to working with the city and opening possibly at the end of July.

[dgiharris]

Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle

And to those who suggest GC make some well-placed campaign contributions, they can't under city municipal code.

With all the shady ways money makes its way to politicians, I find it hard to believe that you couldn't find some way to "legally" grease the political wheels.

There is an entire political consultant industry that is built on preventing or fixing these types of problems.

I'd imagine that the major Legal firms in the area would have the necessary political consultant type contacts.

And to be clear, all of the above needed to be in place BEFORE the M8trix even broke ground.

I guess that is what amazes me, I can't conceive of spending all this money, making this big of an investment and NOT dotting the "I"s and crossing the "T"s before starting.

To me, this whole debacle is like planning to drive across the Sahara desert without making sure there are adequate gas stations along the route...

[MApoker]

^^ This.

This is the way the world works. Anybody who thinks "Oh, but that's not legal!" is just being naive.

Of course it's not legal. That's why you have your lawyers take care of it.

[SJPoker]

Played at GC last night and they are now saying that they will open in 2 weeks for whatever that is worth, likely not much

[High Time John]

http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-...ing-day-now-up

This article in the SJ Mercury News states:

In a curious, high-tech concern, Teng wants to review information from "electronic tracking devices" the casino wants to install on most card tables. The gadgets
would record the number of hands dealt per hour, the identities of the dealer, and who's winning or losing. Teng said the information would help his office oversee the casino.

Does that mean the casino plans to track poker players' winnings?

[AngusThermopyle]

Originally Posted by High Time John

Does that mean the casino plans to track poker players' winnings?

No. The wording in the report seems to be a preemptive strike.

[mikeca]

The report implies that the city regulators don't know that much about the table activity tracking system, but are requiring Casino M8trix to disclose what information is collected, what Casino M8trix plans to do with the data, and require them to share the data with the regulators.

Casino M8trix be required to provide full disclosure of the nature and purpose of the card table activities tracking system. Casino M8trix shall also be required to provide initial and ongoing training to the Division with respect to the operations of the system and provide any and all repOlis generated by the system. In addition, Casino M8trix shall provide the Administrator with any and all information (Le., player activities, employee schedule, number of hands per hour, fees collected, fees paid, etc.) generated from any tracking device (whether or not from Profitable Casinos) installed on the card tables and anywhere in the Cardroom Premises within three (3) business days from approval of the Cardroom Permit Amendment.

Tracking hands played per hour would be pretty straight forward. I can definitely see that they want to tack hands per hour for dealers. They might want to track hands per hour by who is playing at the table to identify players that constantly slow down or disrupt games. Even doing this would require face recognition software and cameras, that would be expensive.

Tracking your winnings would require on the fly pot counting. That might be possible, but it would require much more sophisticated sensors and technology than counting hands per hour. I cannot see why the Casino would care who are the winning and losing players. The regulators would want to get access to this data to look for money laundering in the NL games, so why would the Casino want to collect that data unless the regulators required it.

[AngusThermopyle]

They have the poker dealers "swipe" in. The drop slot records the number of hands dealt. They have had that system for several years.

I don't know where the idea of "tracking wins" etc comes from. It does mention "funding source", ie The Corporation. Never paid that much attention to the Asian Games, but I don't know how they could keep track of how much the Corp wins/loses. Maybe the number of times they bank?

[xniNja]

I'm pretty sure at most card rooms, the room itself keeps a fairly good idea of how much players are winning and losing. My guess is that surveillance even has a hand in it.

Regardless, if someone's crushing the game, the dealers and floor, and management, know about it.

If you start cashing out thousands they'll ask for your name/ID/etc.

[AngusThermopyle]

Originally Posted by xniNja

I'm pretty sure at most card rooms, the room itself keeps a fairly good idea of how much players are winning and losing.

Poker side, they don't care.

Asian side, you don't play against the house. So, they don't care there either. I am sure "the Corporation" keeps track of who beats them out of a stack or two of white. Considering the cozy relationship between GC and the Corp, I wouldn't be surprised if GC give them any info they have on a big winner.

[pig4bill]

Originally Posted by High Time John

http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-...ing-day-now-up

This article in the SJ Mercury News states:

In a curious, high-tech concern, Teng wants to review information from "electronic tracking devices" the casino wants to install on most card tables. The gadgets
would record the number of hands dealt per hour, the identities of the dealer, and who's winning or losing. Teng said the information would help his office oversee the casino.

Does that mean the casino plans to track poker players' winnings?

More likely to track the casino's "winnings". This data would basically show how many hands total in a year were dealt. The city can infer an approximate drop, and if they report a substantially lower number on their taxes, they'll know the casino is being skimmed. And the city won't be getting their full payment.

[Ray Zee]

thats the answer. they want to get all the money coming to them

[AngusThermopyle]

Originally Posted by dgiharris

Legally, I don't see how GC would be compelled to do something that Bay 101 isn't compelled to do...

Bay101 doesn't have a computerized system like GC does.

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And as far as using it to track the drop for tax purposes, it might be usable on poker games (GC can always argue that a percentage of hands only have a $1 drop, etc), but it is useless on Asian games.

[ShoeLessBaby]

What's the current poker status here?
Does they have 200$ max raise capped rule?
What are my options to play real no limit texas holdem poker?

I am willing to drive, and looking to play no-limit or minimum 500$ spread with blinds 2/5,5/10 or 10/20?

Please let me know my available options near San Jose