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Old 06-16-2012, 06:48 PM   #91
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Re: M8trix Casino (San Jose, CA) hype thread

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Last week I hopped into a 1/2/2 game because they had an open seat and I was like 8th on the 20 list and 5th or so on both green chip lists.
Proof positive of your lifetime rungood. Every time I go there it's a 2 hour wait, you sit right down.

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This is not true. At the beginning, they were still really trying to work the kinks out and the game changing was almost all due to the players in the games. The 1/2 games (like pretty much all std 1/2 games were pretty flat/dull and them adding the button blind and changing the open to $4 drastically helped this game. Without the $4 open change, I'm not sure how many of those game would actually be going now.
Hey, I was there in that game from day 2. I will never believe that the players asked for that stupid blind structure. The 1/2 may have been flat and dull to YOU, but it played like a normal 1/2 does in Vegas or Tahoe. As for "drastically helped this game", it didn't need any help. It was as busy as any of the other games there at the time. 1/2NL is alive in healthy in Vegas and I don't see why it would have been any different at Bay 101.

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If Bay offered a 15/30 game, I think it would be uber-juicy! As it is now, many of the 6/12 and 8/16 players will never really jump to a 20/40 game that is 2.5x to 3x+ plus bigger. BUT.. a 15 game is a pretty natural progression.
I guess. It would have to be 2 chip/3 chip blinds, which means I'd never play it even if I could afford it. I tried that once in Vegas and I got a never ending string of 23 and 58 in the sb.
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:18 PM   #92
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Revamp how? I'm really clueless for the most part to that side.
Bay 101 only has about 1/2 the gambooling Cal-side games that GC has. GC Cal-side games are superior to Bay 101 as they offer the bonuses. They have a ton of sucker bet games with lots of bonus bets: for instance, GC blackjack tables have Buster Bets, Reds bonus bets, 20 bonus bets, etc. that have a progressive pay structure up to 1000:1 so lots of fish love that.

They also have 3Card and 6Card poker and Fortune Pai Gow, War, Pokara, Texas Hold-em table game, and I think they do some bonus stuff with their Bacarat as well...

So, its a Cal-side gamers paradise. Bay 101 on the other hand only has non Bonus Pai Gow, normal Blackjack, and 3card poker. If you look the tables at Bay101, the tables are worn and dirty. So when the Cal-side gamer goes to the M8trix just to "see" what its like, they are never going back to Bay101. Tables are clean and brand new, and there is more variety and it will be in a much better setting. This is the area where M8trix will absolutely CRUSH Bay101 to the point where Bay will be forced to incorporate a wider variety of games...

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Meh.. the 1-2-2 game is not unbeatable! The blind structure imo is actually better for the "better" players because it is basically playing as a 2/4, yet you are only playing the blinds of a 1/2 game which is huge because everyone loses money in the blinds, but you are now effectively losing half as much just due to the structure. FWIW, I hate a 3 blind structure on any game.
Its not so much that i'm saying 1-2-2 is unbeatable. What i'm saying is ANY no-limit game that caps buy-in at 50bb and then routinely has players buy-in short at 25bb is going to be unbeatable. And that is the majority of 1-2-2 at Bay. Now, on Friday nights when that average chip stack at the table gets up to 100bb, then absolutely, the game is beatable. But that isn't the game. Usually, its full of short stacking short money-ed players.

A 1-2-3 game that allowed you to buy-in for 100bb like GC does would be much better. I made the suggestion to the middle managers there but didn't press it since I refuse to play 1-2-2 there and would rather go to GC to play at that level if my bankroll is hurting and I have to drop down from the 2-3-5 game.

incidentally, I like the 3 blind structure, ensures a lot more action


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This is just horribly false, especially around the NL games. They are (still) very open to suggestions about how they can make these games better.
Yes, if you are Big Money and play the big games, Bay is more amiable to suggestions, but not so much for every other aspect of Bay. For instance, they have a $120 Friday Tourney that routinely sells out. We've been suggesting for months that they turn it into a $200 buy-in and they won't do it. To be fair, they are polite, its not like they tell you to intercourse off. But next time you are at Bay, ask for a comment card. They are always out of them because they don't bother to restock them next to their little suggestion box on the North side of the casino by their HR department.

Another suggestion that falls on deaf ears is getting them to put table changes on the board. They refuse to do that and every single time I play there is always some drama about table changes. A simple problem that could be fixed by doing what everyone else does... simply put the table change request on the board.

Anyways, overall Bay 101 management is better than GC (hard not to be really) and it will be interesting to see what happens when M8trix opens.

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Old 06-16-2012, 10:50 PM   #93
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I guess. It would have to be 2 chip/3 chip blinds, which means I'd never play it even if I could afford it. I tried that once in Vegas and I got a never ending string of 23 and 58 in the sb.
I would expect a 15/30 would run like the other 3-chip games and just have a 1-chip SB.

But you are right about the 1/2/2. The list is usually a mile long.
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Re: M8trix Casino (San Jose, CA) hype thread

When is this place opening?
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:12 AM   #95
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I would expect a 15/30 would run like the other 3-chip games and just have a 1-chip SB.

But you are right about the 1/2/2. The list is usually a mile long.
3/6 and 6/12 are usually that way, but the 15/30 I've seen (admittedly not many) seems to have a tradition of 2/3 chip blinds. That's why wild gamboolers like bravos (that always gets there) like it a lot more than 2/4 chip games like 20/40. Nits like me that never make a hand hate it.
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Old 06-17-2012, 01:30 PM   #96
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Re: M8trix Casino (San Jose, CA) hype thread

the one extra chip in 15,30 sure makes for more action. and makes for more different plays you are forced to make. such as reraisng when you might now want to because the blinds are too likely to come.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:42 PM   #97
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yes and no.... what I've been told is that the dealers, floor, and some level of shift manager/leads will have to reapply for their positions and they are not guaranteed to get employment.
Not sure if that is legal. It would only make sense if the license was changing hands (the City has claimed that GC originally wanted to change their ownership structure, which would have meant a long(er) delay. GC already had a Nevada LLC which applied to California for a permit, which they dropped).


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One additional thing which I have not seen mentioned here is the "new" motion looking for support on getting the 49 table limit bumped to 98 :shock: tables. FYI, if this happens to happen, expect the rake to go up again for as there will be an increase in taxes for certain.
Well, the petition is written by Bay101, so I doubt if it includes an increase of tax. The 15% tax on the drop is already high by most industry standards. The last round of rake increases came before the ballot measure and its increase in taxes. (also, the Merc says that the increase would be to 79 tables each).



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It's pretty clear where the money comes from and it's not the poker players.

I've seen a lot of people mentioning table count for GC in this thread and it all adds up to 42 tables. Do they really only have 42 tables at the Saratoga site? It would be pretty dumb of them to not have 49 open no? BTW, have you been to GC recently on a typical week night/early evening? Tons of open asian game tables as well as poker tables.
Do they have room to put 49 tables at the Saratoga site?

And while the poker side contributes less on a per table basis, it is much steadier stream of revenue. The Asian side fluxuates. The result of double taxing the players ( 1-5% to the House [win, lose, or draw] and then forced to play on the short end of the rules v the Corporation ) just bleeds that side dry after awhile.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:59 PM   #98
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Re: M8trix Casino (San Jose, CA) hype thread

Cross posting from the Bay thread:

Apparently the November 2012 ballot will include an expansion from 49 to 79 tables in San Jose by 2014.

http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-...alifies-ballot

Hopefully that means more poker tables than initially planned (if this passes) at the new place.

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Apparently the November 2012 ballot will include an expansion from 49 to 79 tables in San Jose by 2014.
And maybe M8trix will be open by 2014!
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:20 AM   #100
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Re: M8trix Casino (San Jose, CA) hype thread

Heard a rumor today that GC is now suing the city or involved in a lawsuit w the city?

Anyone hear anything about this?
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:34 PM   #101
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Re: M8trix Casino (San Jose, CA) hype thread

GC filed a suit as soon as they were denied the top floor VIP area. This was prior to the initial opening date. A lot of us speculated that all the delays were retaliation from the city for the suit.
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San Jose officials now say a police permit hearing will be scheduled for July 19 that could allow M8trix to open its main ground-level gambling floor the next day. Permits to allow an additional gambling room on the top floor of M8trix's eight-story tower would take longer.

"I hope it is true," said M8trix co-owner Eric Swallow. "I won't believe it until they give us the land-owners permit in writing."
Merc article

Wonder if a front LLC owns the land and SJ wanted to know who really owns it.
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When is this place opening?

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So the (public) hearing is next week. Nobody seems to have any idea what that means, but it looks like there is a good chance they will get the approval (without the 8th floor).


http://www.sanjose.com/news/2012/07/...t_to_open_soon
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So the (public) hearing is next week. Nobody seems to have any idea what that means, but it looks like there is a good chance they will get the approval (without the 8th floor).


http://www.sanjose.com/news/2012/07/...t_to_open_soon
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