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Old 07-17-2012, 02:02 PM   #16
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Re: Keeping poker fun for the recreational/amateur player

I was playing this past weekend in AC(friendliest place on earth) at a 2/5 table. I was completely owning some young wannabe pro for 3-4 hours, winning pot after pot when i was heads up against him. After each win, i never said a word or even showed any emotion, just started stacking my chips. One hand, he took down a decent sized pot against me after going all in and catching his 2 outer on the river. He then says, "yea thats right, ship it bitch. maybe you will stay away from me now punk". I just smiled and chuckled a little but the rest of the table diddnt let him off that easy. after that i swear all the other players made it there goal to make his nice saturday night of playing poker absolutely miserable. About 2 hours and 3 rebuys later, Mr. young wannabe pro went home broke. moral of the story? dont be an ******* at the table
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:45 PM   #17
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That falls under life rule # 2 "Try not to be a douche".
Second only of course to "Don't be a dumbass".
I dunno. In a non-professional context I'd probably prefer to be acquainted with a non-douche dumbass than a smart douche.
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:44 PM   #18
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How about just being nice to everyone, fish, shark, or in between?
This, I don't think patronizing fish either. As one player said, fish know they're fish.

Not all or even most of them, but some do, and it's very rude to assume they are stupid. If someone has money and wants to burn it for fun, I see nothing wrong with that; that's essentially what we all do when we purchase services or items for purposes of entertainment anyway.
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Old 07-18-2012, 10:07 PM   #19
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3 common answers: Stupidity, immaturity, and attempting to overcome feelings of inadequacy.
FYP.

There are a lot of these out there.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:06 PM   #20
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in action games fish know they are fish and dont like being patronized.
This is not necessarily true. What do you mean by "action games"? That's a curious term, because to me it implies a number of fish, or players putting their money in bad.

Many of these players do NOT know they're fish, basically because of all the other fish. If there was only 1 or maybe 2 of them, then they could figure it out. But if there are multiple such players they usually can't tell because they are in so many hands with other fish (by definition they will be in more hands against fish than against good players because fish play too many hands).

In fact, they consider some of the other fish to be pretty savvy, because it's hard to know if they are bluffing or hard strong their hand is. Therefore, hands like boats and flushes become playable because even weak ones can win. (This is one advantage fish have over better players in Omaha - you can't tell what a fish thinks he has - is he bluffing or value betting? Reads aren't much good here.)

Weak players have a very hard time determining strength standards because they see so many weak hands and draws win big pots. Even if there is 1 tight player and 3 or 4 fish in a particular hand, it's still hard because more often than not the better player will lose the hand simply by virtue of the fact that he's outnumbered (not that he's not putting his money in good, just that he wins only 30% of the pots that are 5-way.)
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:44 PM   #21
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How about just being nice to everyone, fish, shark, or in between?
This is one area where I will tap the glass.

I lost with AA, vs. QQ and TT. TT caught a set on the flop. QQ player starts freaking out on the player with TT and left. TT was the spot at the table, and the guy beside me starts going on about how bad a play the player with TT made. The guy beside me is a young guy, a regular in this room.

The player with TT is stacking his pot ($500+) and I'm looking right into the young players eyes while I say 'nice hand' and 'well played' with 0% of sarcasm in my voice because there was none. I know there will be other chances to get TT's money so I want him to feel good about his play. The young player looked confused for a half a second and then stopped talking. Its like a light bulb went off in his head.

He asked me later (well after TT busted) and complimented me on how I took the beat. I explained 'you catch more flies with honey then with vinegar, you want that guy to come back next week and the week after and making him think he was simply unlucky is the way to ensure that happens.' - He got it.

I didn't do it for the kids benefit, I did it for the benefit of the room.
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