Originally Posted by architect_dad
in action games fish know they are fish and dont like being patronized.
This is not necessarily true. What do you mean by "action games"? That's a curious term, because to me it implies a number of fish, or players putting their money in bad.
Many of these players do NOT know they're fish, basically because of all the other fish. If there was only 1 or maybe 2 of them, then they could figure it out. But if there are multiple such players they usually can't tell because they are in so many hands with other fish (by definition they will be in more hands against fish than against good players because fish play too many hands).
In fact, they consider some of the other fish to be pretty savvy, because it's hard to know if they are bluffing or hard strong their hand is. Therefore, hands like boats and flushes become playable because even weak ones can win. (This is one advantage fish have over better players in Omaha - you can't tell what a fish thinks he has - is he bluffing or value betting? Reads aren't much good here.)
Weak players have a very hard time determining strength standards because they see so many weak hands and draws win big pots. Even if there is 1 tight player and 3 or 4 fish in a particular hand, it's still hard because more often than not the better player will lose the hand simply by virtue of the fact that he's outnumbered (not that he's not putting his money in good, just that he wins only 30% of the pots that are 5-way.)