Correct me if I'm wrong but, if there's $30 in the pot, he bets pot for $30, and you raise pot, you're betting another $90 on top, not $60, because when you raise pot on top of his raise, it's the pot+his bet+your call=new pot, so if that was the only betting and he calls, the pot is now 270, right? So you're in for just under half of that.

As for your original problem... most casinos in London have little 'player behind' buttons they put out when players are behind. It seems to prevent problems like this, and gives me far less sympathy for players who aren't paying attention if someone tops up.

This is not permitted where I work

The nittery surrounding the phrase "I put you all in" is not helping the discussion.

It's cute that even after all that has been written on the topic, some people think that saying "I put you all in" equates to no action.

That and the whole pot limit raise thing. The question is clearly about something else besides these things, and it's an interesting conversation that we could be having.

Agreed. It's completely irrelevant to the issues presented in this thread, so let's put a stop to it and get back on topic.

No, you weren't ripped off. You did pay for a couple lessons, hopefully it saves you more money in the future.

1. Confirm suspected stack size, when it appears it may be important.
2. Don't 'put anyone all-in'. Bet/raise your own chips, or the size you think.

FWIW - He bets pot ($30), leaving him with approx $40 left... you simply raise a specific amount ($40 more on top, make it $70).... when he re-raises pot (with his chips behind), the rest of your $300 isn't committed.

Because you claimed that you were cheated (ripped off).


That's a completely different question than the one you asked in the title to this thread. FWIW, I think you were the victim of a poor ruling. These things happen sometimes.

But, no, I do not think you were ripped off.

One of my favorite variations of this issue:

Player in the 5 seat decides he wants to move the 1 seat and starts moving his chips to the one seat. But the one seat is between the button and the SB and can't take a hand (the room did not allow you to buy the button). So the player asks to take one more hand in the 5 seat while most of his chips are already moved to the 1 seat. he gets involved in a hand and his opponent goes all in. Seat 5 looks down sees the small stack in front of him and puts it out as a call. His opponent shows the best hand, and the dealer starts to count the winning players stack to see how much is owed ... Seat 5 forgot he had the other chips he moved to seat 1 and starts arguing that he was only all in for the chips that he put out because HE FORGOT HE HAD MORE CHIPS IN PLAY.

Was the villain by any chance a venetian regular? I would be SHOCKED if the Floor and the player knew each other </sarcasm>

I actually use this to set an image for myself and find out who may be paying attention.

I will wait 3 hands after a new player sits down on the opposite side of the table and will ask "When did the new player get here?"

If someone from MY side of the table says "3 hands ago", I know they paid attention and are more likely to be paying attention to other things.

Adjust my profile for them and move on.

A couple of times per session doing this can help you and give you some clues about your table mates.

I've played a few times in Vegas but 99% of my live play has been here in Australia. I assume from the OP that the $400 was not on the table. To me, if your money isn't on the table it shouldn't be part of your stack. Where I usually play in Melbourne, if you have cash or large denomination chips you want cut down from a chip-runner, the cash and/or chips stay on the table. The chip runner does not take them, run off, then come back. The whole exchange is done on the table in full view of everyone. That would avoid any confusion OP suffered.

And LOL at suggestions you have to get it all-in with a flopped nut straight in PLO.

Chip runner was given $400 cash and 'ran' to the cage to get chips. In that case, is it part of the players stack since it's enroute and he's 'playing behind'?

Where I work, if a player does not tell the dealer "$xxx behind" before he recieves his first card, he is only playing what's in front of him.
I don't understand how so many people itt are trying to put this on everyone but the player. Bad ruling imo.

This might be a little off topic but I play mostly in the Connecticut casinos. The games in Vegas dont have chips at the table?

Ive heard of chip runners but never played in a game with them

I once lost a pot at the Venetion 2/5 PLO game 2 years ago where a player had money behind and we got it all in and I won before his money got there. He then went to the chip runner (right behind our table in the saloon) and took his chips and walked out.

Floor did NOTHING!