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Old 08-09-2012, 08:16 PM   #31
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Re: Was I over the line with my table talk?

Something similar to this happened to me once, about 7 years ago. Playing with a guy that I had played with on a regular to semi-regular basis. I had the Q high flush and made a big bet, he re raised me (He's a pretty solid player, doesn't get out of line) and I start thinking aloud. We are sitting in the 2 and 3 seats. He says that he has me beat and keeps talking. I think and think and lay my hand down. He shows complete Air, since then I've never listened to anyone when they start talking. It was $400 lesson, life goes on.

OP you were fine in what you did, everyone may not agree with it and that's fine. If your a good talker then use your gifts, just don't be a dick about it.
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Old 08-11-2012, 06:59 PM   #32
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Re: Was I over the line with my table talk?

What you say at the table is about you. What I feel about what you say at the table is about me.

Anyone at the table whether in the hand, or observing, that is annoyed by anything you say, has a leak in their game.
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Old 08-12-2012, 02:52 PM   #33
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Re: Was I over the line with my table talk?

Yes, don't beat yourself up, OP. You are a more moral person than 95% of players if you actually have the capacity to question whether what you did is right or wrong.

I did want to point out something interesting, from a poker tell point of view. As people have commented in this thread, many players will be telling you the truth when they tell you they have it. It's actually pretty common at lower limits for players to honestly tell their opponents when they're strong. This can either be as a friendly gesture, when a player is doing well and doesn't really care about that last bet on the river. Or it can be as a partially-scared thing, where a player will tell you that on the flop or turn because he doesn't want to get sucked out on in a decent pot.

Sometimes, though, players will be doing what you've described here and trying to feign that honesty to try to get an opponent to fold a better hand.

How might we try to distinguish between these two situations?

For one thing, what you've described is a pretty common way the lying version happens; you saw that he was getting ready to call and that's when you said it. This is a really common pattern; you wait until you're almost positive the guy is putting in his chips and then you say "I've got it." It's still possible you might see a player wait until the last second to say this and for him to actually have a strong hand, but the chances have gone significantly down in most cases. If a player is going to be friendly to you, he'll usually do it a little bit sooner than when you're getting ready to push chips into the pot, is what I'm trying to say.

Another clue to what you were doing was the fact that you agreed so quickly to what he guessed you had. He asked if you had a set of Queens and you immediately agreed. If he had guessed you had KK, or a lower set (or whatever was a better hand than his), you probably would have immediately agreed to that, just because you want to go with the flow of whatever his expressed fear is. Not saying it wasn't a good thing to say on your part, because it did get him to fold and would probably work with a lot of people. But it can be a clue. And, as someone pointed out, that's pinning you down to a very narrow range.

If he was a more thinking opponent, all of these things I've mentioned might have rung several alarm bells in his head. I know they would have in mine.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:37 AM   #34
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Re: Was I over the line with my table talk?

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What you did was not "out of line."

That being said, it's a major douche bag move. It's about the equivalent of a salesman faking a family death to gain sympathy so someone will buy his product.
It is unethical for a salesperson to use deception (although yes it happens all the time). Deception is part of the game in poker. That analogy does not work.

I don't see it as a dbag move at all. It was heads up, the other player could have called. I also see nothing wrong with feeling bad about doing it from a human perspective.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:31 PM   #35
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Psychology is a large percentage of the live game. Anything you can say to get a call or a fold when heads up is good poker to me.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:25 AM   #36
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Re: Was I over the line with my table talk?

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What you did was not "out of line."

That being said, it's a major douche bag move. It's about the equivalent of a salesman faking a family death to gain sympathy so someone will buy his product.
i guess bluffing is a douche bag move too? com on man, your analogy is way off too btw. - didn't read the last page, someone beat me to it.
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:04 AM   #37
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Can't belive that worked but good for you
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:12 AM   #38
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Re: Was I over the line with my table talk?

you didn't do anything wrong

lol @ some of the comparisons ITT. Table talk is standard imo and from my experience fish tend to enjoy it...
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