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Old 02-28-2012, 07:50 PM   #91
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Re: I am confused about winrate in livepoker

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Oh great. Prepare to be scrutinized to hell by professional forum poster and seasoned strawman builder 2OutsNoProb.

If you've never tasted the tears of pure jealousy, you're in for a treat. I hope you have undeniable proof of your claims.
Always nice to be noticed. Interesting to know that questioning the authenticity of some people's winrates is enough to get you irate.

The idea that I'm jealous over "pro" 1/2 NL players is the most comical thing I've ever heard in my life. I'd rather shove STD infested needles into the side of my neck than attempt playing 1/2 NL for a living.

As far as professional forum posting, not for me, the dental plan is a little thin, In actuality my 7 or so posts per day generally take about 15 minutes on the site to churn out (and I post at a rate of about 1/5 what some people here do)
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:45 PM   #92
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Heh, you've gotta roll with the jokes if you're going to be so passionate about this particular subject Take it as you give it. Like, none of what you wrote actually needed to be said, but good on you for not literally being a professional forum poster!
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:34 AM   #93
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this has been since 3/17/11. I've been playing poker since summer of 2010. I know it's not a huge sample by any means (especially 2/5). 2/5 = 19bb/hr at 150 hrs 1/2= 13bb/hr at 490 hrs



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Old 03-02-2012, 09:05 AM   #94
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mississipi no cap at all. people routinely pull out 2k or so and are absolutely terrible.
So the Miss Casinos (Tunica and the Gulf Coast) have no max buy in for 1-2 and such? I thought the small max concept kept the smaller BRs at the table. You "pro" 1-2 grinders might like this, but I would think the rec players would run away when 2k chip stacks are laid down , and rec players are the huge % of casino players. Hell IDK, never played there.
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:49 AM   #95
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this has been since 3/17/11. I've been playing poker since summer of 2010. I know it's not a huge sample by any means (especially 2/5). 2/5 = 19bb/hr at 150 hrs 1/2= 13bb/hr at 490 hrs



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Old 07-03-2012, 08:11 AM   #96
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Here's some real world numbers:

1) $1/2 NLH live at a popular Las Vegas Casino -one that don't take a drop for the jackpot. You get dealt about 33 hands per hour, there are 9 players at the table, so it *cost* you about $11 dollars per hour just to sit there and pay the blinds.

2) $2/5 game....same, same, 33 hands per hour, 9 players, you're spending about $25 dollars per hour to sit there and pay the blinds.

3) $5/10 game, same, same, around 33 hands per hours, 9 players, this game cost you $54 per hour just in blinds & time.
"Paying the blinds" does not make the game harder to beat. Everyone else has to pay them too, and they stay on the table. It's the rake or time charge that makes the game harder to beat.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:05 AM   #97
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So the Miss Casinos (Tunica and the Gulf Coast) have no max buy in for 1-2 and such? I thought the small max concept kept the smaller BRs at the table. You "pro" 1-2 grinders might like this, but I would think the rec players would run away when 2k chip stacks are laid down , and rec players are the huge % of casino players. Hell IDK, never played there.
No one pulls out 2k stacks at 1/2. The Goldstrike runs a 1/2 no cap game and I routinely buy in for $300. Horseshoe Tunica has a capped 1/3 game and an uncapped 2/5 game. There may be a few players with 2k in front in that game, but it is hard to tell because cash plays and most have cash behind.

No clue about the coast, but planning a trip there soon.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:25 PM   #98
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No one pulls out 2k stacks at 1/2.
Go play at the Nugget the next time you are in Vegas and say hi to the Duke for me while he holds the game up putting 20k on the table.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:32 PM   #99
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Go play at the Nugget the next time you are in Vegas and say hi to the Duke for me while he holds the game up putting 20k on the table.
I was talking specifically about the 1/2 games in Tunica since someone asked about Mississippi.
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:10 PM   #100
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No one pulls out 2k stacks at 1/2. The Goldstrike runs a 1/2 no cap game and I routinely buy in for $300. Horseshoe Tunica has a capped 1/3 game and an uncapped 2/5 game. There may be a few players with 2k in front in that game, but it is hard to tell because cash plays and most have cash behind.

No clue about the coast, but planning a trip there soon.
I don't know about the Strike, but I am a regular in the 2/5 game at the Horseshoe, and there are several regs in that game that buy in with 4-5K.
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:13 PM   #101
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I don't know about the Strike, but I am a regular in the 2/5 game at the Horseshoe, and there are several regs in that game that buy in with 4-5K.
I haven't played in that game yet, so it is hard for me to walk by and see how many hundos are behind.

I also heard a story about a guy who had a hundo on top and several 1s underneath his hundo. So everyone thought he was really deep when in reality he was not.

I don't think Strike has been spreading much 2/5 lately but Horseshoe seems to have two every weekend.
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Old 07-03-2012, 03:55 PM   #102
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It seems very rare or nearly imposible, with few exceptions, to get accurate information about low stakes win rates. Reading through this thread again, after months of not looking at it, the one aspect that really stands out to me is the reported [win rate] numbers are all over the board.
Also, an hourly win rate works nicely for limit, but doesn't work as well for no limit.
I played a *LOT* of hours in June, mostly $2/5nl -some $5/10nl and a little $10/20nl and little $5/5 PLO, and made good money for a months work. However my hourly rate really sucked -lowest its ever been.

I made less money and worked more hours during June 2012, than June 2011. Its only one month, and after digging through my records from last year and making the comparision I'm not sure what to think -working on that now.
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:30 PM   #103
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I also heard a story about a guy who had a hundo on top and several 1s underneath his hundo. So everyone thought he was really deep when in reality he was not.
Digression: This is the biggest reason why letting cash play in big-bet games (aside from the occasional rebuy waiting for the chip runner) is not a very good idea. Another reason is that players shouldn't have to ask their opponents to count down their paper every time they want to know opponents' stack sizes.
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Old 07-04-2012, 08:04 AM   #104
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this has been since 3/17/11. I've been playing poker since summer of 2010. I know it's not a huge sample by any means (especially 2/5). 2/5 = 19bb/hr at 150 hrs 1/2= 13bb/hr at 490 hrs



What app are you using here to track? I'm looking for a good app to get started tracking myself. Thanks
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Old 07-04-2012, 12:18 PM   #105
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No clue about the coast, but planning a trip there soon.
The games in Biloxi and New Orleans (Harrah's) both play very deep. The Beau Rivage and IP both have an uncapped buyin. A few players sat down very deep--maybe even 2K deep--but the norm was between 400-1K, as ridiculous as that sounds for 1-2. Harrah's allows you to buy up to the biggest stack, which similarly allows for deep-stacked games (and a higher win rate).
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