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Old 03-18-2008, 01:18 AM   #46
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Re: How much does the average dealer really make?

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By the way the highest avg/ yr right now is at the Wynn Las Vegas. 150K a year. that's just what i;ve been told.
You're probably confusing Wynn cocktail waitresses with Wynn poker dealers.
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:24 AM   #47
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Re: How much does the average dealer really make?

Florida poker rooms seem to have a little higher tip rate as I have seen regularly since the inception of nl is 5 bucks a hand. If that's the case the place to deal would be Florida....... So go 25 hands an hour and probably 4 hours at nl that's $500+ a night, but if that were true everyone would be a dealer and there would be no players. Just a note they make 3.77 an hour.
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:25 AM   #48
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thank you everyone for the useful info just to clear things up i do not aspire to become a dealer but it seems like i simply cannot concentrate on school work at the moment and if im going to take some time off perhaps indefinitely why not become a part time dealer. besides the decent pay it could potentially improve my poker skills. just another question.. how many ppl on 2+2 play poker for a living? and what does it take?
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:19 AM   #49
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thank you everyone for the useful info just to clear things up i do not aspire to become a dealer but it seems like i simply cannot concentrate on school work at the moment and if im going to take some time off perhaps indefinitely why not become a part time dealer. besides the decent pay it could potentially improve my poker skills. just another question.. how many ppl on 2+2 play poker for a living? and what does it take?
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:44 PM   #50
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Re: How much does the average dealer really make?

this really depends on where you deal. i know that dealers who sign a tip compliance form w/ the irs are taxed on roughly $22/hr. therefore the irs is assuming (although they probably would rather tax them higher obv) that these dealers are making about 45K/year, when in actuality it's probably a little higher but not much.

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the best dealers on the strip who work at the big three (bellagio, wynn, venetian) probably make on average $25/down. so if you're lucky enough to work at one of those properties and also put in 40/hours week you're making $50K/year from tokes and your hourly wage provided by the casino will usually cover your tax requirements, i.e., the best/most fortunate dealers (top 10% maybe?) make the equivalent of $75,000/year. This in addition to good benefits make it a great job in this day and age.
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:34 PM   #51
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Re: How much does the average dealer really make?

The folks who commented about dealers at Bay 101 are generally accurate. The dealers there get minimum wage, health benefits and tips (part of which end up to be taxable). I have talked to the floor manager there and they acknowledge a range of $250-350/shift, depending on the dealer. Like all casinos some dealers do a better job than others, are more friendly, faster, etc. That kind of drives the variation. Virtually no one starts full time. Many start as part time chip-runners/dealers.
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:35 PM   #52
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Re: How much does the average dealer really make?

on avg. $150-200+ per night for an 8 hour shift
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:37 PM   #53
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Come on, its not that hard to figure out.

Base salary is going to between $7 and $11 an hour plus tips and benefits. Figure $1 per hand dealt for poker as an average. So the only real unknowns are hour many hours can you deal with tips (not MTT) and how many hands an hour you can get out.
In other words, it's not easy to figure out.
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Now you may be one of the many people who thinks those two lines of thought are quite ridiculous. However, it seems the topic of tipping is very sensitive to quite a few folks. Very VERY little good can ever come from a dealer discussing how much he/she makes, and that's why whenever the question comes up we try to be as helpful as we can with our responses without getting into specific numbers.
Um, this is a forum. You are not dealing to me, and I'm not going to tip you or stiff you.
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:41 PM   #55
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Um, this is a forum. You are not dealing to me, and I'm not going to tip you or stiff you.
Poker players talk to each other. What a dealer says to one player can be repeated multi-thousand times around the poker room in various degrees of truth. Same applies on the forum.

I think this has been beaten into the ground enough for this month. Some understand why dealers are hesitant to throw numbers around. Some don't like the reasoning. *shrug*

Same time next month everyone?

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2) Problem with asking this question is that the people must likely to respond are dealers, and they probably shouldn't tell anyone how much they make because thats disclosing too much personal info. I don't tell anyone how much I make, I wouldn't expect others to do that either.
I think as poker players a lot of us (just about all of my poker friends, pretty much; but we're all young and stupid, dunno how different the B&M poker populace is in this regard) are so desensitized to money at this point that we don't care about talking about things like that.

Like, I would tell a fellow poker player, even one I don't know that well, how much I make poker or at my job pretty freely if it came up, even though I would still be pretty hesitant to discuss that with someone who doesn't play poker.
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Old 03-18-2008, 06:32 PM   #57
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Re: How much does the average dealer really make?

BTW, I know very few poker dealers in Vegas, if any, that actually put in a full 40, week-in, week-out.

Early outs, slow times, going on the play list, force outs, taking an extra day off... all habitual.

For a Vegas dealer I would use 32-hours as the average work week.
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Old 03-18-2008, 07:07 PM   #58
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Re: How much does the average dealer really make?

And before people jump to the conclusion that once you've put in 6mo and get a fulltime gig somewhere it's all roses... I was told by a fulltime Vegas strip poker room dealer he now qualifies for food stamps. Too few cash games, too many tourneys, too many dealers all standing around hoping the room picks up tonight, and too many <40 hour weeks.

Another strip dealer I know gave up and moved back to Seattle because he couldn't handle the cut in pay he took coming to Vegas, and it was just getting worse as the months wore on.

For a lotta Vegas dealers in a lotta rooms, it's not working out all that well the last year or so. Some are doing fine, but others... not so much.

Different conditions likely apply in different cities.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:47 PM   #59
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Wrong. At least in California. No difference for tipped workers.
Damm, you are correct. I actually looked it up. It hasn't always been that way. I should check things when I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:04 PM   #60
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For a lotta Vegas dealers in a lotta rooms, it's not working out all that well the last year or so. Some are doing fine, but others... not so much.
I know of at least one room in town that's started to combat this by pretty much cutting all hours for extra board staff, going solely with full-time personnel, and the dealers there are ending up getting OT lately because of it. Eventually the XB staff should get hours as needed to offset people getting OT and to fill-in for vacations, etc.

Wouldn't surprise me to see more rooms in town go this route as a means to re-configure staff and determine the number of dealers truly needed, or at least imo they should. OTOH not many will likely do anything until post-WSOP.
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