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Old 05-25-2012, 02:55 PM   #16
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Re: Horrible Ruling: Pulling Cards Away from the Table

Give him the pot but tell him the rule, give him a warning, and tell him to quit being a dbag.
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Old 05-25-2012, 02:58 PM   #17
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Re: Horrible Ruling: Pulling Cards Away from the Table

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Cards went off the table, out of camera coverage, and briefly out of view of the dealer. I have no sympathy at all for a player who kills his own hand by doing something supremely stupid like this. Hopefully he won't do it again.

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Old 05-25-2012, 03:18 PM   #18
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Re: Horrible Ruling: Pulling Cards Away from the Table

I was pretty shocked at the ruling after looking at the book posted in the room. I have yet to speak with the floor who made the ruling due to that person not being in the room and a recent vacation I am taking. The room management is undergoing significant revamping, so going to a superior in the room means going to a casino manager.

Player B "just turned 21" about 3 weeks ago and I think this is true because I hadn't seen the player there in the past. The kid makes a huge spectacle out of a lot of his decisions when the action is on him, he angles pretty hard too. How many chances do you give players like that?
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Old 05-25-2012, 04:23 PM   #19
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Stiff warning to Player B to never do that again.

Suggestion to OP to "lighten up Francis".
DG, the OP posted wasn't even born yet when that quote was uttered, most likely.

And I'd probably leave such a table. The biggest reason is that I'd love to be at table where everyone is having a great time and doing stuff like that. That last thing I want to do is make poker "serious" business. With two players trying to do it, the table is going to get bad soon.

I'd celebrate with him and make sure that he and everyone else is getting plenty of booze. That's how you make money playing poker.

That said, if I though the player was a mechanic, then yeah, call the floor. But given the descriptions, that's unlikely.
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Old 05-25-2012, 04:25 PM   #20
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I was pretty shocked at the ruling after looking at the book posted in the room. I have yet to speak with the floor who made the ruling due to that person not being in the room and a recent vacation I am taking. The room management is undergoing significant revamping, so going to a superior in the room means going to a casino manager.

Player B "just turned 21" about 3 weeks ago and I think this is true because I hadn't seen the player there in the past. The kid makes a huge spectacle out of a lot of his decisions when the action is on him, he angles pretty hard too. How many chances do you give players like that?
Zero.

Maybe he will learn from his experiences.
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:36 PM   #21
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Re: Horrible Ruling: Pulling Cards Away from the Table

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I was pretty shocked at the ruling after looking at the book posted in the room.....
What ruling did you expect?
Unless the book specifically states that violating the rule automatically kills your hand (which would be highly unusual, IME), it would be pretty extreme for the floor to kill it for this particular stupid move.
But it would be very normal for the floor to warn him, and also to take him aside and tell him that if he keeps angling and pulling stuff like this, he's going to be asked to take his business elsewhere.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:48 PM   #22
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Re: Horrible Ruling: Pulling Cards Away from the Table

Okay, in Call of Duty, live multi-player matches, there is a move some players will do to show "style". They will run up to an enemy, do a 360 degree turn and then make the "kill". It's showing off that you got close enough to make the kill and still had time to jump, spin around and make the shot.

Wonder if Player B was doing that?

As to the "Lighten up Francis" quote, for those who don't know. It's from the movie "Stripes" which was filmed in 1982 (oh my God I am so old now). The movie is worth seeking out and watching.

And OP, you didn't call the floor but you did post this thread.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:01 PM   #23
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No reason for the hand to be dead. If concerned about integrity of the cards. impound the pot, bring in a setup and spade the deck. If the deck is valid give the player the pot. IF it isn't have the player arrested .....

in any event I have no problem with smacking player in the head or throwing him out.
No need for the "If concerned about integrity of the cards." Check the deck.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:03 PM   #24
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Re: Horrible Ruling: Pulling Cards Away from the Table

Did the best remaining live hand at showdown with the pot?

It did?

Not a horrible ruling. In fact, quite the opposite.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:15 PM   #25
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Did the best remaining live hand at showdown with the pot?
Probably.

Is player A (who did nothing wrong) 100% sure he didn't get cheated?
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:46 PM   #26
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No need for the "If concerned about integrity of the cards." Check the deck.
I'm curious why you felt the need to say this since Psand already said the same thing with more detail?

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No reason for the hand to be dead. If concerned about integrity of the cards. impound the pot, bring in a setup and spade the deck. If the deck is valid give the player the pot. IF it isn't have the player arrested .....

in any event I have no problem with smacking player in the head or throwing him out.
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Old 05-26-2012, 01:17 AM   #27
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Probably.

Is player A (who did nothing wrong) 100% sure he didn't get cheated?
Thankfully, this is verifiable.
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Old 05-26-2012, 05:53 AM   #28
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Thankfully, this is verifiable.
I agree with you in spirit, but I have to disagree when it comes to practice. This is one of those bright-line areas that needs to be enforced strongly to protect the integrity of the game.

Bad behavior is made at the player's own risk. The house should not bend over backwards to protect a player from the consequences of their own misconduct. Players should learn the rules and learn to follow them.


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Old 05-26-2012, 07:06 AM   #29
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Re: Horrible Ruling: Pulling Cards Away from the Table

The player can learn the rules even while we award the pot to the best hand. You're offering a false dilemma.

How is the integrity compromised?
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Old 05-26-2012, 12:57 PM   #30
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Re: Horrible Ruling: Pulling Cards Away from the Table

Of course psandman and DG have it right. I think in the room where I play the most, the dealer would call the floor on his own initiative. They are pretty serious about cards not leaving the table.
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